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General Rugby => Other Senior Rugby => Topic started by: avinastella on August 12, 2019, 01:19:56 PM

Title: England Squad
Post by: avinastella on August 12, 2019, 01:19:56 PM
To get the ball rolling.
Any views??

Squad in full
England Rugby World Cup squad announcement
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps) **
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 11 caps)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps)
Jamie George (Saracens, 37 caps) *
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 27 caps)
George Kruis (Saracens, 32 caps) *
Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 59 caps) *
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 72 caps) **
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
Joe Marler (Harlequins, 58 caps) *
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 22 caps)
Jack Singleton (Saracens, 1 cap)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 9 caps)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 42 caps) *
Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 53 caps) *
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons / Sale Sharks, 13 caps)

Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 5 caps)
Elliot Daly (Saracens, 31 caps)
Owen Barrel (Saracens, 70 caps) *
George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 56 caps) *
Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 5 caps)
Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 1 cap)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 41 caps) *
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps) *
Ruaridh McConnochie (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 33 caps) *
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 22 caps) *
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 33 caps) *
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 34 caps) *
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps) **
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Fenboy on August 12, 2019, 01:54:29 PM
Think the forwards are the current pick of the crop if they stay injury free.

Not sure what Heinz and Francis bring to the party.

Hope somebody teaches Tuilagi when to offload after he punches through a defence.

One glaring omission.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: ye olde 9 on August 12, 2019, 09:55:05 PM
Party line selection, won't win referee
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Dan Nulty on August 13, 2019, 06:15:11 PM
I think we have an exciting squad, too many new faces and partnerships to win it I would think.

Piers Francis from what I have seen doesn't look an international 10 or centre so it must have pretty bad whatever Teo did or said to Brown. I'd much rather we played Daly at 13 then Francis. He is one of my favourite players but he isn't a 15.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: His Lordship on August 17, 2019, 07:36:18 PM
Not sure if I am missing something, but Joseph isn't the player that he was a couple of years ago in my opinion. He could dance through a defence in the past, now always seems to get tied up.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Dan Nulty on October 19, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
Doing OK, workmanlike, grinding down the opposition. Just lacking the same touches of class as 2003 though.

Need Tuilagi and Billy Vunipola to have more of an impact though if going to beat new Zealand, very quiet against Aus.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: The Vole on October 31, 2019, 11:34:13 AM
Party line selection, won't win referee

Glad you're not on the selection committee
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Dan Nulty on November 02, 2019, 07:34:15 AM
I was going to comment in a similar vain, but we haven't won anything yet. I really don't like how many times I have heard the media say on the brink of winning. 20 pts up, 5 minutes to go I'd accept it as on the brink.

Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: ye olde 9 on November 02, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
Told you wouldn't win referee, 15 should have been dragged off after 20 minutes, also a winger that could run, what's point of taking a squad!!! there should have been 5/6 changes at half time. Anyway I know nothing.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Rob13 on November 02, 2019, 05:50:33 PM
SA were impressive they completely shut England down.

Did we peak against NZ?Absolutely.

For me the tone was set when Sinckler went off and Pollard caught his own kick followed by SA shoving us backwards in the scrum.All in the first 10 minutes.You could see England looked stunned, Daly isn’t the best fullback we have that’s a fact after this World Cup. Should have taken Cipriani for my money we needed something today a spark of magic and none of the back line provide that unfortunately. However the one glaring thing was the size difference between the two packs, sometimes you cannot negate brute force.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: neverplayedstandoff on November 02, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
SA were only 20 kilos ,that’s 44 lbs in old money, heavier than Englandin the pack.
 Sorry but the better side won ,they won it when my granddaughter for whom we were in France babysitting for half term in Lyon said “ ooh la la le verte Neuf  est tres bonne” and she is only quatre ans.

Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: neverplayedstandoff on November 02, 2019, 08:47:12 PM
Oh and YO9 she also said you talk b......s!
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: ye olde 9 on November 02, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
I may talk b......s but I said it on the 12th of Aug, not jumping on any band wagon.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Master_Knowledge on November 02, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
We weren't favourites on Aug 12 so to say we wouldn't win it was hardly bold.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: backrowbandit on November 03, 2019, 06:34:15 AM
Sometimes in sport on a particular day it just doesn't go for you. Everything went well last week but this week after 5 mins I think everyone had that feeling it wasn't going to be our day. We could play the same match tomorrow and win by 20.

I think it was important for us to get ahead as SA had very little capacity to chase a game and all the firepower needed to maintain a lead.

What was very evident in the semi and final is that Jonny May was far from fit.

Losing a prop after 2 mins was a crushing blow at any level...it's been well documented that Dan Cole isn't conditioned to play 80mins. Although sinkler may not have added much in the scrum, he would have offered so much more elsewhere on the park.

All a bit deflating..but a good world cup all the same. Glad I'm not Scottish!
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Alf Hart on November 03, 2019, 07:03:02 AM
It’s only a game !

By the way ye older 9 .... we know you’re Welsh and therefore understand the parochial dislike of all things English . Good job us Anglo Saxons are embracing Globalisation and sharing the love with our fellow man . ( and woman and all who decide otherwise) or we would be just like you .... mean minded, bad neighbours, insular and arrogant . ... ....

By the way BrrrB Zermatt is it ?? Verdammter Tourist ... Ruf mich in Adliswil an. Ich zeige dir die echte Schweiz. Ich bin damit einverstanden, dass die Schweiz das beste Land der Welt ist!. ( and no I don’t need to use translator to speak german .. high or Swiss)
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: backrowbandit on November 03, 2019, 07:51:35 AM
Lol - I had to use translator as I don't speak German! We are clearly in agreement. I also particularly like Basel with its three boarders and the Rhine running through the middle. I've had some good times in Basel.

However, the Swiss Franc is rather pricing me out of the area at the moment....  :( :( :(
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Sergeant Stomp on November 03, 2019, 08:46:56 AM
Not the result the vast majority of us wanted!

Here is my take on yesterday.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out - we got beaten up I’m afraid.

Thing is we all knew that is what SA we’re going to try and do. I’d have started Joe Marler, he is an excellent scrummager, probably the best in the squad? For all that Mako brings, scrummaging isn’t his strongest suit. I may be old fashioned, isn’t that what your props need to do first? If they offer a lot in the loose - great. I probably would have gone with Dan Cole too from the off. Again, he can scrummage, as a previous post said, he isn’t good for 80 at that level anymore. I think that would have taken away the dominance at scrum time in The first 40, would it have effected the result - who knows? In the last 30/40 Mako and Kyle could come on, when the game opens up a bit!

In any game at any level, if your getting done up front, the game plan goes out of the window.

In the backs, I don’t think Ben Young’s had a good day, is it now time to look elsewhere?

As has been said previously, I’d have taken Danny  Cipriani.

Don’t think Elliot Daly had a good game, great player, not a 15.

As to the criticism of how South Africa play, finals are about winning. Performance isn’t the main thing. We’ve all been in Finals, who remembers the performance?

Still, a lot of positives, it’s pretty much a young squad. All in all a Good World Cup. Onwards and Upwards.

If any of you are at Stacks Field, come and say hi.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Dan Nulty on November 03, 2019, 09:18:42 AM
I don't think we can criticise England, they played superbly well all tournament except the final. Eddie got his selections Bob on right up to the final today too.

I just got the feeling he tried to over think it too much, we played way too much in our own half, tried some crazy stuff with Barrel playing 9 off a line out. Just didn't make sense to me.

As I said back in August, Daly isn't a 15 and can't think of a game in the world Cup when he played really well. He won't play 15 for Saracens I don't think either, I hope he gets his chance at 13.

I could see we were trying to get outside of South Africa's defence, the problem was the outside backs were so flat that the long passes to static attackers give plenty of time for the defence to drift across. Not rocket science.

Overall though, we had a great tournament, did much better than most outside the camp expected and showed glimpses of a top class side who will try and at least to play attacking and expansive rugby. Unlike some teams.
Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Johnsman on November 04, 2019, 11:54:00 AM
Very disappointing game/result.
Out muscled in set piece - French ref then saw everything Boks way. Injury to Sinckler very important.
Youngs had a shocker  - having played way above in previous games.
Barrel and Tuilagi never in game.
Best centre in squad (Joseph) only brought on when game over.
Great fan of Danny Cipriani - so you know what I think about him being left at home (Francis anyone think he is an International player??)
Positives are the appearance of Underhill and Curry.

Title: Re: England Squad
Post by: Pristine Shorts on November 15, 2019, 01:03:24 PM
Just spending a well-earned break in the Cape. The locals are very complimentary about England in general, but decried their boorishness in either not accepting and/or removing their silver medals and not really admitting that they lost to a better side. I did notice this at the medal ceremony and rather hoped no one else did.

I have never particularly liked many in this England team as individuals and unfortunately was unable to gainsay what’s being said here.