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League Rugby => North One => Topic started by: backrowbandit on April 29, 2020, 08:24:04 PM

Title: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on April 29, 2020, 08:24:04 PM
Who actually thinks that rugby will start in September?

I've become more pessimistic about the possibility of that.. obviously none of us know but it would be good to debate the variables...

There is even a possibility of a whole season off...
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dropkicker on April 29, 2020, 08:53:53 PM
I am of the opinion the season won’t get completed.... however and this is my view not the view of my club....that it wouldn’t do us any harm if it didn’t. There will be games played at some point next season (I hope) from the start maybe... but at some point it will get curtailed. Let’s says we play the first 3/4/5 games then on the Tuesday following your last game you get a phone call from your last weeks opposition, and are told one or several of their players have come down with corona virus....all your players and all there’s have to go into quarantine. This means your game and your oppositions game from last week cant go ahead the following week or the following week.
So how can this help York. At some point if many games get postponed in such a manner the RFU may decide to make the season null and void regarding promotion and relegation whilst at the same maybe allowing fixtures to continue on a friendly basis if situation allows. This would allow us the opportunity of a season or at least some games to appreciate the physicality and speed of this higher level. Just a thought.
In the meantime planning is well underway I understand for next season should it start on time
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Rob13 on April 29, 2020, 09:13:01 PM
Seeing some of the return to work protocols for our clients we deal with I cant see why they cant replicate these in amateur sport,consistent temperature monitoring on a daily basis and people be checked game day?

I appreciate its a minefield of unchartered territory but to potentially write off a season of sport to me is unfathomable.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: avinastella on April 29, 2020, 11:13:55 PM
Seeing some of the return to work protocols for our clients we deal with I cant see why they cant replicate these in amateur sport,consistent temperature monitoring on a daily basis and people be checked game day?

I appreciate its a minefield of unchartered territory but to potentially write off a season of sport to me is unfathomable.
There are an awful lot of asymptomatic cases though.
A&E can't even spot it when they come in. It's only when they are X-Rayed do the alarm bells ring.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 30, 2020, 11:21:00 AM
I did say in previous post that I was fearful that we might not play again this side of Christmas, I hope I am wrong, we should get some idea in next couple of weeks when some of the lock down measures are eased.

One thing is for sure that those who have invested in the Colts and youth sections will see some return for their investments.

The Globe trotters from the Southern Hemisphere who are shipped in by some clubs to top and tail turnips or hire out deck chairs will be in short supply!
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Red Horseman on April 30, 2020, 01:32:45 PM
Can't see it happening, certainly not in team sports, until at least an effective vaccine is developed. And that, at the moment, is a long long way off.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on April 30, 2020, 06:41:12 PM
It's pretty evident that contact sport will be the very last restriction lifted. Football Premier League will get away with playing simply by having the massive financial resources to test players and staff every single day. They will be able to guarantee that every single person is negative. No level of community sport in any sport will be able to do that.

Sadly rugby and all its ancillary activities tick the box of the very highest risk category. Contact sport is the pinnacle of risk. Densely populated bars and tightly filled pre-match meals are pretty high up there too. When you add in the age profile of many officials and supporters of rugby i.e. in the danger zone..... Even if a full lifting of lockdown occurred in September I can see there being a high degree of reluctance from older members to become involved in any close contact social gathering.

So if you take the view that the 1st of January is a possibility.... this is also likely to coincide with the peak of the annual flu season, general NHS pressures plus any likely second peak of covid-19. Can you really see at the point of maximum pressure on health care resources there being much desire to release rugby onto the nation.

I'm not saying this is what I think will happen and therefore September is still a possibility.... But January or the whole season off I think is of equal likelihood.



Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Oldandslow on May 01, 2020, 06:34:20 AM
BRB

Don’t think when we first come back tightly pack bars and pre match meals will be allowed.

When restrictions are lifted I expect social distancing to remain in place for quite a while afterward.

So local sports clubs including rugby may well be allowed because they mostly attract a modest number of spectators ( I know there are exceptions) and the virus breaks down quickly in fresh air. Local sports yes, but full social contact before and after games no.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 01, 2020, 06:54:25 AM
I agree with your underlying arguement. I just wonder will they really make a distinction between a packed bar and a scrum?

There is a danger that both will be last on the list...
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Pristine Shorts on May 01, 2020, 01:44:01 PM
Miserable thought, but I fear you’re right. Hoping for some good news next Thursday, as I’m sure Boris would always want to be the bearer of good tidings.

I’d settle for golf courses to open June 1st and for rugby to start October 1st......
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Oldandslow on May 01, 2020, 03:07:58 PM
I agree with your underlying arguement. I just wonder will they really make a distinction between a packed bar and a scrum?

There is a danger that both will be last on the list...

Perhaps I’m clutching at straws but I think small local sporting events outside will be allowed earlier than inside events. Know rugby might be later that netball but we can but hope.

Read yesterday research by UK scientists which found the Covid virus survives much longer inside in rooms with poor airflow. The article specifically mentioned bars and public toilets. So I think bars will be last on the list and will have to continue with social distancing.

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Pristine Shorts on May 04, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
I see they’re hoping to start rugby in Ireland again on August 10th....
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 06, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
I think FA, RFU and ECB meeting HMG this week so we might some indication soon...
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dan Nulty on May 06, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
I think we will only hear about professional sport in the short term. Amateur sport will be way down the list as won't be able to afford the strict testing that the professionals will be undertaking.

Until social distancing is completely removed amateur sport and rugby in particular can't take place. The big thing is going to be time to do some sort of preseason and get bodies used to contact before steaming straight in.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Oldandslow on May 06, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
I think FA, RFU and ECB meeting HMG this week so we might some indication soon...

Meeting reported in the press this morning. The RFU sole focus was on the financial losses they face they have already lost £15 million they are set up loose another £32 million even if the autumn internationals go ahead behind closed doors. No mention of the rest of the game including the Premiership.

Separately it’s reported the RFU are planned a series of webinar consultations over the next four weeks about changing the league structures for 2021/2 to make it more attractive to players. Including reducing travelling time and the number of games played.

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dan Nulty on May 06, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
*lose. Loose is the opposite of tight.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Oldandslow on May 07, 2020, 06:20:03 AM
*lose. Loose is the opposite of tight.

Thanks for the correction Dan, as I’ve posted before I’m not smart enough for smart phone.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dan Nulty on May 07, 2020, 07:59:26 AM
Lose and loose is a real pet hate and I can never resist. Sorry.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: olfaithful on May 07, 2020, 08:09:20 AM
Always a Grump I know , -
I see the logic of starting sport (i.e. rugby) being OK with "no bars" and no "crowds", etc, for a while but ..
Changing Rooms ??? ; Showers ???
Are they not "breeding grounds" for Viruses ?
There are already strict environmental test requirements there over Legionella.

Sorry. Hope for the BEST. Prepare for the WORST.

Keep being safe, it is just a sport, but bu&&er I miss it.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Rob13 on May 07, 2020, 09:40:38 AM
Issue is everyone’s immunity will be on the floor when we do start mingling again and there will be viruses flying around left right and centre with people screaming
Coronavirus. It’s a case of people accepting the risk factor and attempting to return to life.

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Ribbflagman on May 07, 2020, 11:17:22 AM
Only my opinion, and believe me I am no scientist, but as long as any "Social Distancing" measures are in place, surely it is impossible for any amateur contact sport to resume. Forget opening clubhouses and supporters spending money over the bar (the financial lifeline of most grassroots clubs). Scrums, lineouts, mauls, tackles will be breaking any "Measures" still in place. Not wanting to be negative but until the number of new cases is down to hundreds a day and not the current 4,000-6,000 I simply cannot see us starting again. Everything crossed I am wrong but I am just trying to be realistic. For the record my wife and I have not been past the garden gates for 44 days now so feel we are not in danger at the moment other than from the possibility of being charged with attempted murder!!
Stay safe everyone and see you sometime, hopefully soon.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Locked Out on May 07, 2020, 08:21:57 PM
Good points Flaggy. I suggest you and Mrs take it in turns to visit garden gate and avoid carrying any sharp implements during the crossover. Stay safe yourself.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 08, 2020, 07:13:39 AM
Only my opinion, and believe me I am no scientist, but as long as any "Social Distancing" measures are in place, surely it is impossible for any amateur contact sport to resume. Forget opening clubhouses and supporters spending money over the bar (the financial lifeline of most grassroots clubs). Scrums, lineouts, mauls, tackles will be breaking any "Measures" still in place. Not wanting to be negative but until the number of new cases is down to hundreds a day and not the current 4,000-6,000 I simply cannot see us starting again. Everything crossed I am wrong but I am just trying to be realistic. For the record my wife and I have not been past the garden gates for 44 days now so feel we are not in danger at the moment other than from the possibility of being charged with attempted murder!!
Stay safe everyone and see you sometime, hopefully soon.

I share all of your concerns. We have become more pessimistic about a start to rugby anytime soon. Certainly this coming season isn't going to be "normal".

I think things are improving quicker than it seems in the community but hospital and care home transmissions seems stubbornly high.

I agree that we probably need infection rates down to the 100's before we can really relax...

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Sail By on May 08, 2020, 10:18:28 AM
Or a vaccine!!

I have a sneaky feeling that this will be the quickest ever drug to market. Current treatment drugs are being mass produced whilst trials are being carried out just incase it works.

I agree that you will probably see I delay but I honestly think we will all see rugby this calendar year.

Stay safe everyone
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Johnosjstrap on May 08, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
To be taken with a pinch of salt obviously until it happens but there is huge confidence a vaccine is not far away, certainly by winter, possibly by Autumn. The Govt plainly are well ahead in the knowledge curve so you do wonder if this is driving their 'roadmap'. As soon as either the antibody test or vaccine are widley available it'll be green lights all round.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Dan Nulty on May 08, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
Wouldn't fancy taking a shot of the quickest vaccine to market.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Ribbflagman on May 08, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
A vaccine wont be allowed until proven to be safe. I agree its the best way to go but fear that it wont be in anybodys xmas stocking in 2020 for that "safety proven" reason. As one of the first in the queue I would be delighted to be proven wrong but fear I will have to continue indoors for much longer than 12 weeks or take a decision on a risk assessment basis and get back out and about. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Johnosjstrap on May 08, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
There's a few companies geared up to be producing millions of the vaccines immediately, 'IF' one is found that works and gets licensed. Timescales are 2020 apparently. Same with antibody tests, . Will these be widespread enough in uptake to allow rugby? We'll see.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: porkies on May 08, 2020, 08:59:23 PM
Sorry chaps but I think a vaccine is a year away minimum....
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Sail By on May 08, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
Porkies, the worlds best are focussing on this and will break it!!
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Rob13 on May 08, 2020, 10:29:13 PM
Porkies, the worlds best are focussing on this and will break it!!

Love the positivity, too much negativity these days.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Ribbflagman on May 09, 2020, 07:27:20 AM
Agree Rob,
                  However I feel that no vaccine will be approved this year. I truly hope I am wrong, but feel we wont be able to go out for a walk (unless breaking the advice) for many weeks yet, in our lovely area around Settle. Its a horrible state of affairs, but I am aghast at some of the irresponsible actions of some very selfish people, that will undoubtedly result in some people losing their lives, (not connected to them). It is these people that are risking us all and , as  usual, the selfish few are influencing the majority.
We are lucky in that we have a good outdoor space at home, but not everyone is as lucky ,and its those people that the selfish ones should think about as they flaunt the advice.
Anyway rant over. Unlikely as it may seem, I look forward to resuming rugby as soon as its safe, and also meeting all you posters again wherever and whenever we are allowed to.
Cheers xx.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Pristine Shorts on May 09, 2020, 12:59:04 PM
I have had the good fortune to be able to go to the office every day ( in the centre of town ) with one other employee and the company has been able to tick over at about 36% of normal for the time of year. This has preserved the jobs of the other four. We are able to access the moors for our daily exercise and do so.

On Monday, whatever the nature of the rabbit is that Boris produces, staff will return on a staggered basis and by June 1st, we will be back to full complement. Social distancing is possible where we are. We have had far too much media-driven doom and gloom, exacerbated by the blunt-instrument tactics employed so far. We cannot get deaths down to zero and it is futile spending our children’s future in an attempt to do so. we need a more focussed approach now.

I look forward to meeting all you old rugby friends and I’m optimistic that it will be before the end of October.

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 09, 2020, 09:27:29 PM
A vaccine wont be allowed until proven to be safe. I agree its the best way to go but fear that it wont be in anybodys xmas stocking in 2020 for that "safety proven" reason. As one of the first in the queue I would be delighted to be proven wrong but fear I will have to continue indoors for much longer than 12 weeks or take a decision on a risk assessment basis and get back out and about. Fingers crossed.

The Oxford vaccine has already been proven safe..hence it being injected into hundreds of people. The issue isn't safety it's effectiveness....and that can only.be proved by trialists not contracting the virus during a period of high transmission. Our peak has well passed now so that is a counterintuitive problem....and in either case there is no way of proving effectiveness without time. With all the money in the world you can't prove a vaccine works in a month unless you are prepared to subject the samples to the virus...which the western world won't do. (However China might!)... So best case scenario is 6 months and that is hoping that none of the C-19 vaccine trialists contracts the illness AND some of the control trialists do (the ones who have the meningitis vaccine).

Hope that makes sense. So best case is autumn. All of that is based on comments from that wonderful Professor lady from Oxford (Gilbert?)...I'm not pretending to be any expert.

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Red Horseman on May 09, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Another glass of Pinotage maybe...
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 09, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
Another glass of Pinotage maybe...

Not for me....I'm lockdown "dry" for 10 days now!
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Pristine Shorts on May 10, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
Gosh, I bet you’re good company !
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 10, 2020, 08:27:40 PM
11 now!
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Red Horseman on May 11, 2020, 07:24:40 AM
I seem to recall the mayor in Jaws was so concerned about the economy he told everyone it was safe to go back in the water.

Am trying to find out how to become a lert. Anyone know of any lerts I could copy?
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: leg on May 12, 2020, 05:08:58 PM
I coach a kids team - and I wonder how many will still want to play or be allowed to play after we come out of this pandemic.

Could have a big impact on playing numbers.

Then again, they might be that bored that they'll be raving to go?

Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Rob13 on May 12, 2020, 05:36:33 PM
I coach a kids team - and I wonder how many will still want to play or be allowed to play after we come out of this pandemic.

Could have a big impact on playing numbers.

Then again, they might be that bored that they'll be raving to go?

If the season does get started on time my son will begin his journey in the game, we can't shield ourselves away forever.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 13, 2020, 07:28:27 AM
HMG is publishing a document today outlining a roadmap back for sport. I'm not sure if it is just professional sport or all sport but it might give us an indication.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: leg on May 13, 2020, 11:58:24 AM
I coach a kids team - and I wonder how many will still want to play or be allowed to play after we come out of this pandemic.

Could have a big impact on playing numbers.

Then again, they might be that bored that they'll be raving to go?

If the season does get started on time my son will begin his journey in the game, we can't shield ourselves away forever.

I don't think we can live our lives keeping to "social distancing" rules - we need another way forward.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: davie on May 14, 2020, 09:05:09 AM
The way forward is antibody testing (positive signs here) and a vaccine (not so imminent).
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: leg on May 15, 2020, 01:24:08 PM
The way forward is antibody testing (positive signs here) and a vaccine (not so imminent).

yup - test the fark out of everyone and keep doing it - i think it will be the new normal.
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: Red Horseman on May 16, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
Meanwhile, in the absence of anything resembling clarity from our Beloved Supreme Leader, here is an explanation of the current rules and guidance. Everyone stay very Alert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scq71DZG7CU&fbclid=IwAR2uQsxRMkXzEpRreS_0Oe-jVn8N5N-ljXPmBHp70jqGpj7e1KZtDM61mwE
Title: Re: No rugby till 2021?
Post by: backrowbandit on May 25, 2020, 07:35:09 AM
It seems that limited contact is allowed now but I believe only at an elite level...  However good news and one to monitor.