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League Rugby => Regional Two (North & North East) => Topic started by: omigidiant on April 01, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Title: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: omigidiant on April 01, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Getting to the squeaky bum end of the season and at the top it's neck and neck for the top spot with the game in hand giving the advantage to Ilkley but I'm sure Driffield will tell them it's no gimme and I'm sure it will go down to the wire. The third spot is just as competitive with Heath, with a game in hand, 2 points behind Cleck with the big game here to come in a fortnights time when Cleck travel the short distance to West Vale which could well be the 3rd place decider. Until then this weekend's games will help provide some more guidance to the final positions. Here's my view.
B&B v Heath Heath certainly won't be taking their foot off the accelerator so another hefty defeat is on the cards for the Bees.
Consett v Old Brods Apart from the score line overall Brods were arguably the better side against Heath last week and a similar performance from them against Consett should be good enough to come away with the spoils.
Durham v Morpeth Another of the many potentially intriguing local Derbies we've had this season in this league and with Durham winning their local Derby against Consett last week they will be up for making it two wins in a row. With just the one loss at Ilkley in their last 5 games Morpeth are still riding high and I take them to be too strong for a Durham side who will never the less run them close.
M & N v Ilkley The Malton pitch can be a bit of a leveler and probably won't be conducive to Ilkley's type of play, but having said that with the incentive of winning the league Ilkley will come out with all guns blazing and should be too good for the home side.
Morley v Driffield It's been a funny season for Morley with a number of up and down performances so I'm not sure which Morley team will turn up, however, I can't see even their best efforts being good enough to overcome what all seem to agree is a very good Driffield outfit.
Pocklington v Moortown I really don't know which way to lean in this match. Pock keep putting in some really good performances only to intersperse them with some mediocre efforts. Meanwhile Moortown have shown they have a good young team in the making and on their day can produce some nice rugby. Having beaten Cleckheaton last week I'm going to take Pock to carry on the good work and win but only by a narrow margin.
Scarborough v Cleckheaton It is commendable and brave of Scarborough to give chances to some of their younger players who will no doubt take away some great experiences from playing at this level and it will certainly benefit the club in the long term. However, if they do that against Cleckheaton I think they'll be on a hiding to nothing as last weeks result at Ilkley showed. I take Cleck to win no matter which team Scabs put out, but a strong Scabs team will help to make the game more competitive.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: MyPennysWorth on April 01, 2022, 06:41:42 PM
B&B vs Heath - Heath win. Don’t expect it to be as big a score as other weeks but can’t see any other outcome here.
Consett vs Old Brodleians - the away trip to Consett is mostly certainly not an easy ride. Aware that Brods are travelling with a heavily depleted team from previous weeks so I can’t imagine them having this all their own way. I’m still going to say Brods within 7 points.
Malton vs Ilkley - Malton most certainly have earnt respect this year across the league in which I don’t think personally their league position reflects their season up to press. Despite this, I see no other result than a clear 5 point win for Ilkley here tomorrow.
Pock vs Moortown - Pocklington to win this one comfortably. Can’t see Moortown asserting themselves here and given Pock are at home they have to be clear favourites! Pock by 15-20.
Scarborough vs Cleck - never an easy place to go, but I see no other result than Cleck getting back to winning ways this week and taking this one by a score or two!
Durham vs Morpeth - like Consett, Durham has proven a not so easy place for most sides to go this season. I’m sure Durham will be looking to finish the season strong with a win here as they have fought competitively for most of the season! Again though, I see Morpeth winning this one!
Morley vs Driffield - Morley will no doubt also want to build on last weeks good result away at Moortown. I just think Driffield will have way too much for them across the park. Driff to win with a try bonus point.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: MyPennysWorth on April 01, 2022, 06:44:50 PM
Getting to the squeaky bum end of the season and at the top it's neck and neck for the top spot with the game in hand giving the advantage to Ilkley but I'm sure Driffield will tell them it's no gimme and I'm sure it will go down to the wire. The third spot is just as competitive with Heath, with a game in hand, 2 points behind Cleck with the big game here to come in a fortnights time when Cleck travel the short distance to West Vale which could well be the 3rd place decider. Until then this weekend's games will help provide some more guidance to the final positions. Here's my view.
B&B v Heath Heath certainly won't be taking their foot off the accelerator so another hefty defeat is on the cards for the Bees.
Consett v Old Brods Apart from the score line overall Brods were arguably the better side against Heath last week and a similar performance from them against Consett should be good enough to come away with the spoils.
Durham v Morpeth Another of the many potentially intriguing local Derbies we've had this season in this league and with Durham winning their local Derby against Consett last week they will be up for making it two wins in a row. With just the one loss at Ilkley in their last 5 games Morpeth are still riding high and I take them to be too strong for a Durham side who will never the less run them close.
M & N v Ilkley The Malton pitch can be a bit of a leveler and probably won't be conducive to Ilkley's type of play, but having said that with the incentive of winning the league Ilkley will come out with all guns blazing and should be too good for the home side.
Morley v Driffield It's been a funny season for Morley with a number of up and down performances so I'm not sure which Morley team will turn up, however, I can't see even their best efforts being good enough to overcome what all seem to agree is a very good Driffield outfit.
Pocklington v Moortown I really don't know which way to lean in this match. Pock keep putting in some really good performances only to intersperse them with some mediocre efforts. Meanwhile Moortown have shown they have a good young team in the making and on their day can produce some nice rugby. Having beaten Cleckheaton last week I'm going to take Pock to carry on the good work and win but only by a narrow margin.
Scarborough v Cleckheaton It is commendable and brave of Scarborough to give chances to some of their younger players who will no doubt take away some great experiences from playing at this level and it will certainly benefit the club in the long term. However, if they do that against Cleckheaton I think they'll be on a hiding to nothing as last weeks result at Ilkley showed. I take Cleck to win no matter which team Scabs put out, but a strong Scabs team will help to make the game more competitive.
Am I missing something? A game in a fortnights time? 🤷???
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: avinastella on April 01, 2022, 07:04:26 PM
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 02, 2022, 07:08:23 AM
Let’s see how spectacularly wrong I can be this week…
B&B v Heath - starting with an easy one. Could be gruesome for the young Bees. Heath for the full five.
Consett v Brods - the home side has improved of late, but Brods know that their slim chance of a top three finish will vanish with anything less than a BP win. I think they will just make it though.
Durham v Morpeth - a local(ish) derby to savour. I think Morpeth will be too strong though and will claim the points.
M&N v Ilkley - the Malton pack proved to be more than worthy opponents at Stacks Field back in November, but the Ilkley backs are on top form and should provide enough firepower for a BP win.
Morley v Driffield - if Morley A turn up, they could run Driffield close ( and I would dearly like to see Driff drop a point… ) Any other Morley side and it’s another heavy home defeat. Driff to win though.
Pock v Moortown - tricky. Both sides can be outstanding on the day, so I can only look at current form and take Pock to edge it.
Scarbs v Cleck - the Seasiders will want to erase last week’s drubbing from the collective memory, as indeed will Cleck. Scarbs are good at home, but I have to go for Cleck today - they’ll be keen to stay in the top three.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Johnosjstrap on April 02, 2022, 10:24:28 AM
Heath Consett Peth Ilkley Driff Pock Scarbs
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: tommyontherailway on April 02, 2022, 11:24:08 AM
Yes it is correct, there is a game in a fortnights time Heath v Scarborough.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: omigidiant on April 02, 2022, 05:18:12 PM
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: omigidiant on April 02, 2022, 05:23:38 PM
Five losing bonus points out of the 7 fixtures shows just how competitive N1E is and it is a credit to all the teams taking part.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 07:38:49 PM
Not 100% sure how to fairly review todays game at Morley. The game was so poorly officiated that most merit league games would of been surprised by the standard on show by the referee.
Ultimately the better team won.
6-13 at half time due to any Driffield attacking opportunity being stopped by a referees whistle, on many occasions home and away supports left scratching their heads as to the reasons why.
Second half it was more of the same. Referee stopped anything that resembled a fair contest, until with 10minutes to go the Young Driffield winger made a strong run from 60m out to score. The game then seemed beyond Morley (and the referee) and the flood gates opened, 4 tries in 9 minutes.
The referee kept trying to find away in for Morley and it finally worked with 2minutes left on the clock.
Very disappointed to be bad mouthing a referee rather then talking about the performance of the players, however I didn’t watch a game of rugby today. I watch one man in the middle the pitch penalise one team out of a game whilst allowing the other to play by a different standard.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Kellythorpe on April 02, 2022, 08:09:28 PM
Harsh but true differ lid. One has to say also that Drif goalkicking poor and Drif made far too many mistakes particularly first half. Some good showings ryan m and rix, but many good chances not finished off. Will need to up game in last two fixtures. Jamie missed.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Kellythorpe on April 02, 2022, 08:11:00 PM
Typo?? Should be Jenkinson
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 08:14:29 PM
Harsh but true differ lid. One has to say also that Drif goalkicking poor and Drif made far too many mistakes particularly first half. Some good showings ryan m and rix, but many good chances not finished off. Will need to up game in last two fixtures. Jamie missed.
Agreed, to many unforced errors. And Matthew Jenkinson was a massive loss to the side due to COVID.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: BenFairclough on April 02, 2022, 08:49:41 PM
Probs be easier if you two just text each other
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 08:57:43 PM
Some really close games in the league today! Really interested to hear about some of the games! Scarborough looks like a good game on paper, particularly if they got some young lads blooded?
Consett running brods close and M&N coming close to doing Driffield a massive favour!
Ilkley have to be massive favourites to finish as league winners now with remaining fixtures!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Johnosjstrap on April 02, 2022, 09:07:43 PM
Not 100% sure how to fairly review todays game at Morley. The game was so poorly officiated that most merit league games would of been surprised by the standard on show by the referee.
Ultimately the better team won.
6-13 at half time due to any Driffield attacking opportunity being stopped by a referees whistle, on many occasions home and away supports left scratching their heads as to the reasons why.
Second half it was more of the same. Referee stopped anything that resembled a fair contest, until with 10minutes to go the Young Driffield winger made a strong run from 60m out to score. The game then seemed beyond Morley (and the referee) and the flood gates opened, 4 tries in 9 minutes.
The referee kept trying to find away in for Morley and it finally worked with 2minutes left on the clock.
Very disappointed to be bad mouthing a referee rather then talking about the performance of the players, however I didn’t watch a game of rugby today. I watch one man in the middle the pitch penalise one team out of a game whilst allowing the other to play by a different standard.
None of us like to moan re refs so this fella must have been a shocker, it#ll be interesting to find out his name as we had a similar one earlier in the season (so bad in fact that the assessor said he was going to ask him why he'd so obviously picked a team to win), you have to put it down to subliminal one eyedness.....thinking any ref at our level woyld 'cheat' is a road to ruin.
A good battle at Durham today, we knew it would be very tough and so it was....they are a physical outfit and made H advantage tell.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 09:23:10 PM
Not 100% sure how to fairly review todays game at Morley. The game was so poorly officiated that most merit league games would of been surprised by the standard on show by the referee.
Ultimately the better team won.
6-13 at half time due to any Driffield attacking opportunity being stopped by a referees whistle, on many occasions home and away supports left scratching their heads as to the reasons why.
Second half it was more of the same. Referee stopped anything that resembled a fair contest, until with 10minutes to go the Young Driffield winger made a strong run from 60m out to score. The game then seemed beyond Morley (and the referee) and the flood gates opened, 4 tries in 9 minutes.
The referee kept trying to find away in for Morley and it finally worked with 2minutes left on the clock.
Very disappointed to be bad mouthing a referee rather then talking about the performance of the players, however I didn’t watch a game of rugby today. I watch one man in the middle the pitch penalise one team out of a game whilst allowing the other to play by a different standard.
None of us like to moan re refs so this fella must have been a shocker, it#ll be interesting to find out his name as we had a similar one earlier in the season (so bad in fact that the assessor said he was going to ask him why he'd so obviously picked a team to win), you have to put it down to subliminal one eyedness.....thinking any ref at our level woyld 'cheat' is a road to ruin.
A good battle at Durham today, we knew it would be very tough and so it was....they are a physical outfit and made H advantage tell.
Boris was todays match official! By no means saying that he was cheating. A referee who isn’t able to keep up with the speed of play or miss certain things is one thing. However it usually goes both ways. Today it appeared that each team had a different level of tolerance for offences.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 02, 2022, 09:37:40 PM
I am bitterly disappointed to hear referees abused like this on the forum.
One of the cornerstones of our game is respect to the referee and if nothing else human decently should prevent such shameful abuse of a volunteer.
Driffield is a fine club but this and other undisclosed recent issues with the clubs attitudes to referees suggests a moral reset is needed.
For any referees reading this, please remember that 99% of rugby players and supporters are truly appreciative of the part you play in our game.
For balance, the referee referred to made an excellent contribution to a recent match at Silver Royd. Win, lose or draw have enough class not to attack the ref.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 02, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
Not 100% sure how to fairly review todays game at Morley. The game was so poorly officiated that most merit league games would of been surprised by the standard on show by the referee.
Ultimately the better team won.
6-13 at half time due to any Driffield attacking opportunity being stopped by a referees whistle, on many occasions home and away supports left scratching their heads as to the reasons why.
Second half it was more of the same. Referee stopped anything that resembled a fair contest, until with 10minutes to go the Young Driffield winger made a strong run from 60m out to score. The game then seemed beyond Morley (and the referee) and the flood gates opened, 4 tries in 9 minutes.
The referee kept trying to find away in for Morley and it finally worked with 2minutes left on the clock.
Very disappointed to be bad mouthing a referee rather then talking about the performance of the players, however I didn’t watch a game of rugby today. I watch one man in the middle the pitch penalise one team out of a game whilst allowing the other to play by a different standard.
None of us like to moan re refs so this fella must have been a shocker, it#ll be interesting to find out his name as we had a similar one earlier in the season (so bad in fact that the assessor said he was going to ask him why he'd so obviously picked a team to win), you have to put it down to subliminal one eyedness.....thinking any ref at our level woyld 'cheat' is a road to ruin.
A good battle at Durham today, we knew it would be very tough and so it was....they are a physical outfit and made H advantage tell.
Andy Baker was todays match official! By no means saying that he was cheating. A referee who isn’t able to keep up with the speed of play or miss certain things is one thing. However it usually goes both ways. Today it appeared that each team had a different level of tolerance for offences.
For the avoidance of doubt I am referring to these two posts.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 09:47:35 PM
I am bitterly disappointed to hear referees abused like this on the forum.
One of the cornerstones of our game is respect to the referee and if nothing else human decently should prevent such shameful abuse of a volunteer.
Driffield is a fine club but this and other undisclosed recent issues with the clubs attitudes to referees suggests a moral reset is needed.
For any referees reading this, please remember that 99% of rugby players and supporters are truly appreciative of the part you play in our game.
For balance, the referee referred to made an excellent contribution to a recent match at Silver Royd. Win, lose or draw have enough class not to attack the ref.
To be clear I am by no means abusing a referee! They are doing a job, good or bad they are as vital as the players on the pitch, and nobody sets out to do a bad job.
We have had The same referee this season without complaint.
The views are my own as a spectator from the touchline and I am not speaking for Driffield Rugby clubs players or committee.
I have watched rugby for a lot of years, and feel I would be honest if the players performance wasn’t up to standard so not sure why I should be different about a referee?
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 02, 2022, 09:54:56 PM
Thank you for the clarification.
However I don't agree that individual performances of.players or especially referees should be highlighted in this way.
I'm not being a prune but the game is suffering from a chronic shortage of referees.
You may not think your comments were abuse but sadly in our game they were. You effectively said he was unfit and biased... Do you think he is likely to be motivated to continue reffing by that. And btw, referees read this forum a lot.
Differ Lid, you are an excellent contributer the forum and I really hope you continue to do so. Please remember that referees are an isolated individual in the middle of a field of 30 players (and sometimes hundreds of spectators), they are protected by the respect our game affords them. When that respect is diminished so is our game.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Calderdale hound on April 02, 2022, 10:10:19 PM
Atleast B&B stuck to there task today and put up a fight!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 02, 2022, 10:12:24 PM
However I don't agree that individual performances of.players or especially referees should be highlighted in this way.
I'm not being a prune but the game is suffering from a chronic shortage of referees.
You may not think your comments were abuse but sadly in our game they were. You effectively said he was unfit and biased... Do you think he is likely to be motivated to continue reffing by that. And btw, referees read this forum a lot.
Differ Lid, you are an excellent contributer the forum and I really hope you continue to do so. Please remember that referees are an isolated individual in the middle of a field of 30 players (and sometimes hundreds of spectators), they are protected by the respect our game affords them. When that respect is diminished so is our game.
Then I apologies if that’s how it appears, and comes across. But was certainly not meant as abuse!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 02, 2022, 10:20:09 PM
A final comment worthy of the club you represent.
Let's leave it there.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Calderdale hound on April 02, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Not 100% sure how to fairly review todays game at Morley. The game was so poorly officiated that most merit league games would of been surprised by the standard on show by the referee.
Ultimately the better team won.
6-13 at half time due to any Driffield attacking opportunity being stopped by a referees whistle, on many occasions home and away supports left scratching their heads as to the reasons why.
Second half it was more of the same. Referee stopped anything that resembled a fair contest, until with 10minutes to go the Young Driffield winger made a strong run from 60m out to score. The game then seemed beyond Morley (and the referee) and the flood gates opened, 4 tries in 9 minutes.
The referee kept trying to find away in for Morley and it finally worked with 2minutes left on the clock.
Very disappointed to be bad mouthing a referee rather then talking about the performance of the players, however I didn’t watch a game of rugby today. I watch one man in the middle the pitch penalise one team out of a game whilst allowing the other to play by a different standard.
None of us like to moan re refs so this fella must have been a shocker, it#ll be interesting to find out his name as we had a similar one earlier in the season (so bad in fact that the assessor said he was going to ask him why he'd so obviously picked a team to win), you have to put it down to subliminal one eyedness.....thinking any ref at our level woyld 'cheat' is a road to ruin.
A good battle at Durham today, we knew it would be very tough and so it was....they are a physical outfit and made H advantage tell.
Andy Baker was todays match official! By no means saying that he was cheating. A referee who isn’t able to keep up with the speed of play or miss certain things is one thing. However it usually goes both ways. Today it appeared that each team had a different level of tolerance for offences.
Shock borris at it again!!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: curry31 on April 02, 2022, 11:11:44 PM
Not meaning to single anyone out, but, the abuse of referees is totally unacceptable. From what I have seen this year, the standard of refereeing has been good, in Y1, NE1, NP and N2N. To suggest refs at these levels are deliberately biased is not good in my opinion. A thankless task in many games - let's get behind them and thank them for their commitment! No ref, no game.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Woody on April 03, 2022, 12:49:42 AM
We at heath respect all the referees in this league. Particularly Andy Baker. He referees the games fairly and does not tolerate lack of discipline from players. As it should be. Perhaps clubs should reflect on their own performances first before blaming referees. I assume Driffield were frustrated all game by Morley and their discipline deteriorated throughout. Heath played a spirited B&B side today. They never gave up and they constantly backed each other up, regardless of mistakes. They are inspiring
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 03, 2022, 08:10:10 AM
Let’s try this again,
Yesterdays game at Morley was a contest between 2 sides with differing styles, both playing to individual strengths. Morley’s had the size advantage and attacked around the breakdown and through the 10 channel. Driffield tried to stretch the game and move the bigger Morley players around the park. And it worked. They tired and the game opened up.
Morley had to slow the game down at the breakdown, and did so for most of the game. With only 2 penalties against them for not rolling away and non for hands in through the full 80minutes, so they played to the limits afforded to them.
Driffield dominated set piece, and showed great work rate throughout the game. However to many penalties at the breakdown for hands in or not rolling away. (Including a 2 yellow cards, one for each offence)
Pocklington at home next week looks a very interesting contest, recent results for Pock look impressive!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Woody on April 03, 2022, 08:49:09 AM
Yesterdays game at Morley was a contest between 2 sides with differing styles, both playing to individual strengths. Morley’s had the size advantage and attacked around the breakdown and through the 10 channel. Driffield tried to stretch the game and move the bigger Morley players around the park. And it worked. They tired and the game opened up.
Morley had to slow the game down at the breakdown, and did so for most of the game. With only 2 penalties against them for not rolling away and non for hands in through the full 80minutes, so they played to the limits afforded to them.
Driffield dominated set piece, and showed great work rate throughout the game. However to many penalties at the breakdown for hands in or not rolling away. (Including a 2 yellow cards, one for each offence)
Pocklington at home next week looks a very interesting contest, recent results for Pock look impressive!
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Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 03, 2022, 09:21:36 AM
Some really close games in the league today! Really interested to hear about some of the games! Scarborough looks like a good game on paper, particularly if they got some young lads blooded?
Consett running brods close and M&N coming close to doing Driffield a massive favour!
Ilkley have to be massive favourites to finish as league winners now with remaining fixtures!
An interesting end to the Season approaches, with Driffield, Ilkley, Cleck and Heath all theoretically capable of finishing as Champions.
Driffield (91 points) have Pock at home and Scarbs away, neither of which I’m sure the Driff lads would describe as easy. I think Driff will win both, but not necessarily with maximum points, which would suit…
Ilkley (90 points) have Durham at home, followed by Consett and the Bees away. The three bottom Clubs, eh ? Banana skins lurking in the shadows ? Three 4-point wins would be enough for the Dalesmen, whatever Driff do.
Cleckheaton (85 points) have Malton and Norton home and Durham away. Ilkley have just found that M&N are no pushover, but Cleck have home advantage.
Heath (83 points) have Morley and Scabs at home, then Pock away. The Halifax boys should be well in charge at home, but Pock away won’t be a stroll in the park.
Assuming that the Bees will complete their season without handing out any more walkovers, I’ll stick my neck out and forecast…
Driffield - 10 more points to finish with 101. Ilkley - 14 more points to finish with 104. Cleckheaton - 10 more points to finish with 95. Heath - 14 more points to finish with 97.
Which ( according to the RFU’s ‘plan’ ) would mean that Driffield, Ilkley and Heath would be ‘promoted’ and can look forward to trips to Alnwick and Derby next season. And the rest of NE1 will be in a superb-looking Yorkshire league.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: neverplayedstandoff on April 03, 2022, 10:52:13 AM
PS surely you mean regional 2L .
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 03, 2022, 11:00:12 AM
NPSO - Is 2L the ‘superb-looking Yorkshire League’ ? Or the Alnwick to Derby ‘more local fixtures league’ ?
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 03, 2022, 11:49:00 AM
Yesterdays game at Morley was a contest between 2 sides with differing styles, both playing to individual strengths. Morley’s had the size advantage and attacked around the breakdown and through the 10 channel. Driffield tried to stretch the game and move the bigger Morley players around the park. And it worked. They tired and the game opened up.
Morley had to slow the game down at the breakdown, and did so for most of the game. With only 2 penalties against them for not rolling away and non for hands in through the full 80minutes, so they played to the limits afforded to them.
Driffield dominated set piece, and showed great work rate throughout the game. However to many penalties at the breakdown for hands in or not rolling away. (Including a 2 yellow cards, one for each offence)
Pocklington at home next week looks a very interesting contest, recent results for Pock look impressive!
Good report...and readers can read between the lines...
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: neverplayedstandoff on April 03, 2022, 12:03:37 PM
PS I like that title “ the super looking Yorkshire league” It’s a lot better than regional 2 L. What do the viewers think? Maybe you could start a poll.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Jim on April 04, 2022, 09:10:05 PM
I'm obviously new to the Forum, so apologise if I don't follow the protocols. Having said that I read with interest the post from Differ Lid and the subsequent musings.
I have due to injury been able to watch Morley over the last two weeks; a fortuitous victory at Moortown and a brave yet doomed display against Driffield. On each occasion the lasting feeling I have is that the memos sent to both these clubs with regards to the RFU's core values and the seemingly simple expectations with regards to referee abuse seem to lie unopened upon the Secretary's desk.
To be clear Driff were by far the better side and it showed in the last 20 minutes, their defence was better organised and crucially more efficient and their attack managed to punch through the Morley line relatively easily, and even more so as Morley tired. However let us also be clear they had little more than parity in the line and for a substantial part of the game were going backwards in the scrum and must have been very relieved to go unpenalised for the large part.
Having taken time to speak to several Driff players after the game, who by the way spoke in positive terms about the referees performance (who I also spoke to), they are clear where they need to improve and where they need to recruit.
'The views are my own as a spectator from the touchline and I am not speaking for Driffield Rugby': - Thankfully, however the behaviour of some of the Driff coaching staff would seem to indicate that it was club wide view. I thought one or two of them were fortunate not to be asked to leave the pitchside.
'It appeared that each team had a different level of tolerance for offence': If it looks, acts and barks like a dog it's a dog! The view that the referee could not keep up with play is a spurious cover for the misguided believe that the referee had a poor game, he didn't. The penalty count was a reasonably accurate guide to the discipline levels within each team as 'backrowbandit' suggested Morley frustrated Driffield for a large part of the game and it showed. However '... they played to the limits afforded to them' again, another 'dig'. These limits are called Laws.
I think Driff have the talent, the coaching and the game plan to compete next year, however they need to have a little more 'Old Man' about them. Both Yellow Cards were clear and obvious, indeed the second one could easily have been red.
It's a horrible phrase to use that Driff were 'dragged down to Morley's level', I would rather say that they failed to adapt to Morley's game plan, but whichever phrase you use that was the story of the day and if Driff want to take the step up to the next level they will need to learn to adapt more quickly.
With regards to referees and their age. I've seen plenty of referees some good some not so good, it is rarely their age which decides the bracket in which they are put, more a genuine feel for the game. Experience or indeed age doesn't always provide this 'feel' however for the most part it helps.
If we keep on with this kind of Pythonesque criticism, 'Nudge, nudge, wink wink... say no more' we undermine the very game we say we love. 'No referee no game' is not a slogan, hopefully it's a warning let us hope that it is not a prognostication!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 05, 2022, 06:39:05 AM
Great post Jim and welcome to the forum.
The people I know at Drif are good people who respect the core values of the game and all that good about it.
I'm sure they have realised that their club is attracting some negative vibes due to the attitude of some of their coaches and will be addressing it. They are far from a "problem" club...what they do right outweighs what they do wrong by 100 to 1. However referees need to be respected and protected full stop.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Differ Lid on April 05, 2022, 10:11:48 AM
Great post Jim enjoyed it and great example of what this forum is about. People being able to give an open opinion of events and how they feel things went on the day.
On reflection I was probably too hasty to post on Saturday following the game, and should of handle it a little more delicately, particularly given the extent of my opinions. However, my opinions are out now, and I am happy to take the backlash from the forum for speaking out of turn about a match official. What I do have is the benefit of review, so not only can I give my personal opinions from the day as you have, but also statements based on review.
With regards to my statement of a dominant set piece the game had 19 scrums (11 for Morley, 8 for Driffield) Driffield won 2 scrums against the head, and Morley moving back behind the mark on 14 of the 19 scrums. One on the 80th minute which collapsed and resulted in a free kick against Driffield, and 4 scrums which Morley moved forward whilst Driffield was down to 7 forwards. At Lineout time Driffield won 2 of Morley’s lineouts with Morley not able to compete against Driffield taking none of Driffield’s or even disrupting, Morley had 2 questionable not straight decisions whilst Driffield had 1 (all of which in my opinion are perfectly acceptable throws down the middle, but it’s the referee’s opinion which matters)
I have the same information for penalty counts but don’t think I need to continue with that on the forum, as it was clearly too high by Driffield and only 3 Penalties against Morley in the 80 minutes clearly showed the exceptional standards Morley operate in the area – Eddie Jones would be incredibly happy with those numbers.
“If it looks, acts and barks like a dog it's a dog!” – I like this saying, Driffield No.8 penalised for calling an offside, and a quiet word with one of the Driffield coaching staff in the second half for being overly vocal on the touchline, both of which the referee handled brilliantly as not acceptable behaviour and showed zero tolerance in the area against Driffield during the game. Morley also challenged decision throughout the game, with one example of your very experience fly half aggressively challenging a try scored as he felt it was held up with not even a word about his conduct, zero penalties in this area for Morley, as it should be.
“It's a horrible phrase to use that Driff were 'dragged down to Morley's level', I would rather say that they failed to adapt to Morley's game plan” – Just tried to find when I made this statement, an unable to do so? Morley played some good rugby, and certainly league position does not reflect the quality of the Morley side, I did say they slowed the game down at the breakdown, which was clearly the game plan you speak of, executed well. However, they couldn’t sustain it for 80minutes, and believe if they had the score line would have been much tighter.
Also never mentioned the referees age, Saturday’s official is clearly highly experienced with a low tolerance for ill-discipline which is exactly how it should be, and Driffield had been slow to react to how they were being officiated. Learning opportunity for the Driffield players and coaching staff I believe. I do agree appealing from the touchline can be an issue, but certainly not a problem club on this matter. However, this does not excuse this on the occasions it does happen and believe this is something that is easily addressed and corrected.
**I would also like to note the quality of the 3 young Morley players – Fullback, wing and flanker (believe 2 of which have only a couple of senior games between them) exceptional talents and show a bright future for the Maroons if this is the quality of player being produced **
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Red Horseman on April 05, 2022, 10:43:52 AM
Been a while since I contributed, but looks like it might be time to revive an old offer.
Available is a 30/40 minute seminar outlining the psychology of how to engage positively with match officials.
Compiled with the help of yorkshire rugby.net and rugby refs.com members, and based on the psychological principles of hostage negotiation, it is delivered by one of the UK's leading experts in that field.
It includes verbal and non verbal techniques, as well as an understanding of how players and spectators behave in the modern world - referred to by psychologists as 'Generation Me' - and gives an explanation of the utter short and long term folly of abusing match officials.
Target audience is club coaches and captains, but would also be beneficial to players and spectators in general.
Particularly useful as an inter or pre season event, now is the time to plan! The only costs involved would be mileage from Whitby. If you would like it delivered at your club, message me separately.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: avinastella on April 05, 2022, 10:50:59 AM
Been a while since I contributed, but looks like it might be time to revive an old offer.
Available is a 30/40 minute seminar outlining the psychology of how to engage positively with match officials.
Compiled with the help of yorkshire rugby.net and rugby refs.com members, and based on the psychological principles of hostage negotiation, it is delivered by one of the UK's leading experts in that field.
It includes verbal and non verbal techniques, as well as an understanding of how players and spectators behave in the modern world - referred to by psychologists as 'Generation Me' - and gives an explanation of the utter short and long term folly of abusing match officials.
Target audience is club coaches and captains, but would also be beneficial to players and spectators in general.
Particularly useful as an inter or pre season event, now is the time to plan! The only costs involved would be mileage from Whitby. If you would like it delivered at your club, message me separately.
I was just thinking it was time you made an appearance. At our club we can 100% vouch for your presentation. Assuming people take the info on board it makes a massive difference to a teams performance/behaviour on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Red Horseman on April 05, 2022, 11:38:03 AM
Kind words good Sir. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Kellythorpe on April 05, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
As an ex player, YRS referee, administrator and assessor, I agree with most that has been said. Players, coaches, spectators and referees certainly witness errors on rugby law enforcement. I was certainly responsible for some! However, as differ lid says, coaches get very wound up in a game and do cross the line. Certainly most refs are pretty thick skinned and ignore same, but that still doesn't make it acceptable. The fact that Driffield give so many penalties away not only on Saturday but on other occasions, leads one to believe there is work to be done in the breakdown situation. All the referees cannot be wrong! However it is not all room and gloom at Driffield. 4 senior teams took the field on Sat, 3rd beating Pock 2nds and 4ths beating Brid 2nds with hopefully play off places available. On Sunday a mini festival took place for hundreds of kids and in the afternoon the Ladies team secured a bonus point win in the league over Carlisle Cougers to ensure promotion for the second year running. Great weekend!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: avinastella on April 05, 2022, 02:32:55 PM
As an ex player, YRS referee, administrator and assessor, I agree with most that has been said. Players, coaches, spectators and referees certainly witness errors on rugby law enforcement. I was certainly responsible for some! However, as differ lid says, coaches get very wound up in a game and do cross the line. Certainly most refs are pretty thick skinned and ignore same, but that still doesn't make it acceptable. The fact that Driffield give so many penalties away not only on Saturday but on other occasions, leads one to believe there is work to be done in the breakdown situation. All the referees cannot be wrong! However it is not all room and gloom at Driffield. 4 senior teams took the field on Sat, 3rd beating Pock 2nds and 4ths beating Brid 2nds with hopefully play off places available. On Sunday a mini festival took place for hundreds of kids and in the afternoon the Ladies team secured a bonus point win in the league over Carlisle Cougers to ensure promotion for the second year running. Great weekend!
I don't think anyone has suggested its doom and gloom at Driffield....are from it, an excellent club. However you have some respect issues to deal with within your senior and junior coaching ranks.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Kellythorpe on April 05, 2022, 07:20:07 PM
If that is so, you had better let me know what they are.
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: backrowbandit on April 05, 2022, 09:53:49 PM
It has been dealt with by the appropriate club officials, it's not something to air on here. Those who need to know do so...clearly you don't!
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Master_Knowledge on April 06, 2022, 09:54:46 PM
Time of the month, soppy bolloc£s?
Title: Re: Saturday 2nd April preview
Post by: Red Horseman on July 24, 2022, 11:41:07 AM
Interesting that both clubs whose members said they had a problem and needed it and would would pass details on to "the committee" never took it up!