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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: Today at 11:47:46 AM »Y3 cry off rate fully supports my argument. Club in question lost 5 players to play for recently created Y4 club to play league rugby. No 2nd team to support 1vx. Boom!Now, is it 5 or as you mentioned previously, 12? and are we to assume you lost these players to the recently formed Maltby?
As to vast county of Yorkshire, take a look at Notts, Lincs, Derby. Where they have geography issues just as Yorkshire, but regionalised counties leagues, reduced travel, effective cup competitions and 2s and 3s in the leagues.
Feedback from a Yorkshire club that transferred to NLD is that the competition is very good, they intend to apply for their 2vx to play in leagues next season.
NOT Invented here so it can't be any good syndrome. Remember the British Motorcycle and Car industry ridiculing tatty Japanese motors!!!!!
The walkover rates i stated are from this season, albeit further south. Down there they really do have a geographical issue to overcome, eg 50-60 miles between clubs so it sort of makes sense to include scond and third teams. However, that results in a myriad of leagues with 6-8 teams in them. You have 10 team leagues with only two 1st teams in them and that's at counties 3 level. And yes, last week 4 out of 5 games were walkovers.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: Today at 01:30:02 AM »
Counties 3.
60-80% walkover rate. Hmm.
60-80% walkover rate. Hmm.
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Regional One (North East) / Re: Sat 28/09
« on: Yesterday at 11:23:29 AM »Trying to get passed the name calling and belittling…I'm aware of another Cup game that was in doubt. Also, there is now a 'C' against both Middlesboro and Sandal. Whatever that means.
So I’m guessing nobody is on board with York 2s joining the leagues?
Also a point in time to mention Heath giving Cleckheaton a walkover in the Yorkshire cup as unable to field a side. 2nd team players fed up of being told they aren’t allowed a takeaway on a Friday night? First team players not playing without payment for a cup fixture? Emergency training session? Plenty of possibilities.
But “injuries” is the reason.
It is also worth noting. This weekend was declared as one of those free weekends and the cup games were scheduled for a later date. Out of the blue, the fixtures were brought forward to this weekend. 3 of our players booked holidays for this weekend after checking it was clear.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Shirt Sponsorship
« on: Yesterday at 09:50:37 AM »Was the bottle of port presented to a youth player from a youth team?? Come on Stella, at least make an effort to offer a coherent point.Obviously not. I commentedon it because it kind of goes against your earlier comments.
Like I said we're not madly against it but as we are able to limit youth exposure then we do.
If there was no other option then we would accept brewery "sponsorship" but we are lucky that for the youth teams we don't need to.
In respect to the values of North Ribb and Scarborough, I'd say they are pretty identical. What differs is our circumstances.
And no, i don't have an issue with it. Lad can do with the bottle however he chooses.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Shirt Sponsorship
« on: October 02, 2024, 10:04:07 PM »Awkward when their MoM a couple of weeks ago was presented with a bottle of port.Brewery "sponsorship" is often far from genuine sponsorship; it's typically an advance of discount loan disguised as a sponsorship deal.
In reality, they benefit from having their logo on your shirts while effectively charging you hidden interest and giving you your own money back.
Some may insist, "Our case is different—it's real sponsorship!" While that might be true, it's rarely the case. To find out for sure, challenge the brewery. Let them know you're considering switching suppliers and ask them to provide their best price for supply only, based on your barrelage. Compare the total value of that offer to your current sponsorship deal to see the true benefit.
In respect of your general question, at Scarborough we choose not to have drinks advertising on any shirts and are just removing the old Heineken post protectors from the lower fields where the kids play. We're not madly against it but I asked for them to be replaced as I didn't think it was consistent with our youth rugby values.
Are you also going to stop serving alcohol in the bar? God forbid a youth player sees someone buying a pint
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Yorkshire 2 / Re: NEW COMPS STRUCTURE
« on: October 02, 2024, 08:50:29 AM »Attended meeting last night, no real change from last time . If it gets voted in leagues will be a lottery next season. If smaller clubs don't vote then it will be close again. But eventually it will happen the RFU policy will tie clubs up with no optionsYou can see why the RFU want it when you look at the Southern Divisions. Clubs many miles apart and their leagues wouldn't exist without lower XVs due to lack of numbers. The RFU conveniently miss this important detail out when pushing their agenda. They also fail to acknowledge the number of walkovers that happen each week, along with the right hidings that are given out.
In the main, the travel issue is a bit of a red herring for most clubs in the North. I do stress most clubs. The RFU confirmed they have no idea on the geographical spread of clubs when they forced through the reduced league number a few years back. They thought it a sensible option for Pocklington to play in the NW leagues whilst M&N played this side of the hill - and that it would reduce travel.
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Regional One (North East) / Re: Sat 28/09
« on: October 01, 2024, 01:10:20 PM »Master (not up to speed) Knowledge are you not aware of the RFUs latest attempt to allow/force second XVs into the league system. It will surely be the death knell for many grass roots sides with only one team and IMHO result in many more walkovers as could you reasonably expect say Brid seconds to travel to say North Ribb when their 1ST XV are away at Wath. No joined up thinking here, just more ill thought out impositions from the powers in charge. More localised fixtures are, I think, the way forward to keep clubs second teams going. Not the opposite.Have a look at the league results in the two Southern Divisions. Walkover central.
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Regional One (North East) / Re: Sat 28/09
« on: October 01, 2024, 01:09:04 PM »I wonder if York want to enter their second team into the leagues!!!!!!They can't. They don't qualify.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Shirt Sponsorship
« on: October 01, 2024, 11:09:21 AM »Has anyone encountered any challenges relating to shirt sponsorship by alcoholic beverage suppliers, such as breweries and the use of their brand logos on kit?I'm interested to know why it would be challenged considering how the breweries have sponsered the game for so long.
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Yorkshire 2 / Re: NEW COMPS STRUCTURE
« on: September 30, 2024, 03:27:52 PM »Glad to see your views are still strong. Not doubt see you on the teams meeting Tues. I went to our central meeting Wed. The word is it's happening if the vote goes over quater33% ish in favour it's in. If clubs vote against then it will go for another vote later until it comes in. Because its RFU policy!In principle it might be in. But a scan of the various Merit leagues shows some of the likely candidates won't be allowed in.
They are bringing clubs in fron outside to say its all pink and fluffy. To sell the idea.
The glass ceiling will still be an issue as and when the clubs reach the division below there 1st team .
Additionally, the email says the RFU have asked CBs to hold a vote. They most definitely have NOT!
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Yorkshire 1 / Re: Week 4 Predictions and Chat
« on: September 29, 2024, 01:08:34 AM »In South Yorkshire today and went to the watch the Wath v Beverley game.Have a look at the two southern divisions. Whole leaugue fixtures comprising walkovers.
Wath 17 Beverley 10 at half time and full time. Two converted tries and a penalty to Wath, two unconverted tries to Beverley.
Even first half Wath power game against Beverley running game.
Second half Beverley had most of the possession and a number of chances to win the game, helped by Wath conceding lots of penalties and a yellow card. Beverley missed a several kickable penalties and were twice held up over the Wath try line.
Game was well refereed although the large number of penalties against Wath did upset the home supports.
Finally I find it a sad reflection on the current state of the game that we have walkovers in Yorkshire 1 so early in the season.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: September 27, 2024, 02:11:58 PM »
For those who think this works. Have a look at the results of the two Southern divisions.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: September 27, 2024, 10:13:42 AM »I know Driffield are a minority, and certainly not many on here who are out spoken about supporting 2nd XVs joining the leagues. But it would clearly be a benefit for Driffield. I understand the issue for clubs surrounded by national league sides who would then be in a position to stockpile players, and certainly don’t support that.Leeds Tykes are a good example of the damage higher placed clubs can do to the game and hoovering up players. Some of the lads they signed up pre season have yet to play a game, certainly first team.
But our Second xv already travelling to Wharfedale, Ilkley, Sheffield, Sheffield Tigers, Alnwick and Percy Park this season for competitive games.
Isolated case I know, but doesn’t change the fact that Driffield would be in favour of it.
Otley were guilty of the same. Signed them up then offered to loan them out to other clubs provided they covered the lads 'wages'.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: September 27, 2024, 12:02:39 AM »Thats fine Stella, my error, but they did do their own thing due to not wanting long expensive away fixtures. Think that given the increase in Bus costs it wont take long for their position to revert . Lets see. Ands as for lower xvs entering the league. IMHO we should be careful what we wish for. If you look at Cumbria 1 which includes the once very successful Aspatria 2s. Think they have given two WOs already.Had the discussion with RFU tonight regarding lower 15's, amongst other topics.
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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Future Competition Structure
« on: September 26, 2024, 10:29:50 PM »
Lancs/Cheshire clubs are back in the RFU leagues. Rejoined last season.