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Yorkshire 2 / Re: RESULTS WEEK 10
« on: November 20, 2018, 09:37:43 AM »
Is the success of getting all these sides out down to bribing the students? The package offered to the students is impressive!

Of course. After several years of supporting students we now have a healthy level of graduates who are now senior playing members.  The number of students playing each season hasn’t really differed over the years.  We currently have a good atmosphere and culture at the club that students and non students enjoy.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Spectator standing
« on: October 28, 2018, 03:19:45 PM »
The sun always shines at Crag Lane

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Legal liability.
« on: October 21, 2018, 09:27:59 PM »
This summarises all that is wrong with modern society. I’ve never read anything on here that would constitute actual offence.

If someone has threaten prosecution then I’d like to see the police have any interest in a complaint enough to do anything about it.

No one knows who I am do they???

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Pundits League October Bonus Game
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:17:13 PM »
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At “Social Rugby” level, and the crucial point is where in the League structure you draw that line, 18 league games a year to give the season it’s basic structure is enough. The key to engagement lies in being creative with the balance of the year. A mixture of tours, mini-tours, friendlies, 3-way fixtures, long-lost local derbies, half-pitch tag tournaments, 10s festivals, open days to engage local communities, early kick-offs on International weekends, mixed touch tournaments, family days, yes maybe County Cups and even… whisper it, the odd week off; whatever floats your boat and gives players, wives, girlfriends, kids and families enough variety to make “Saturday afternoon down the Rugby Club” a more interesting, attractive and inclusive offer.

Doesn't that pretty much take you back up to the current situation with regard to number of games.
Difference is many of them would be meaningless.

Valid points but running a club without a good structure of games would be even more difficult than it is now.

Think broader.

Yes, obviously “The current situation”, in that there’s Rugby of some sort going on at the Club every week of the season.

Just because it’s not a League game doesn’t make it “meaningless”. You could argue that for most clubs in the middle of a 14-team League, most League fixtures from mid-November onwards, when it’s pretty clear you’re not really in the mix for promotion or relegation, are “meaningless”.

A Memorial Friendly for a past player/official against a local rival, or even internally,  which reconnects his contemporaries and other past players with the Club, (maybe turns them into VPs?) has more “meaning” than some mid-table skirmish which might have a bearing on whether we finish 6th or 7th this year.

10 team Leagues still gives you 60/70% fixed part of the season around which you add variety, giving you the “good structure” you refer to, and making the season more varied, interesting and attractive.

Any change is "more difficult", but no change, which seems to be the suggestion, is the current slow decline into oblivion.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Pundits League October Bonus Game
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:37:12 PM »
All views my own etc.

Not expecting this to be universally popular, and it’s admittedly coming from the perspectives of player retention/recruitment and the lower half/two-thirds of the Leagues, but the structure of the season needs to change drastically if the slide in playing numbers is to be halted. Some imagination is required, alongside a recognition that maintaining the status quo of 14-team Leagues equates to taking the same option when something is clearly not working, a definition of insanity.

The days of most players playing every week between the start of September and early May have gone. The majority of people on this Forum and involved in running their clubs and the Game as a whole (another facet of the problem), played when this wasn’t the case and resent/can’t understand why this has changed. I’m afraid it’s time to embrace the horror. 18-30 year olds now have infinitely more distractions and demands on their weekends (including getting married & having Stag Dos during the season!) from partners, family and work.

It’s time for some radical, evolved thinking as to what Saturday Rugby needs to mean to appeal to existing players & watchers and attract new ones. The solution lies in drastically fewer league games below National League level. An unremitting diet of 26, 80-minute league games a year, with minimal season to season variation in opposition, out of the 30 weeks available is just too one-dimensional and out of date and leaves ZERO room for anything else once weather has forced rearranged fixtures.

At “Social Rugby” level, and the crucial point is where in the League structure you draw that line, 18 league games a year to give the season it’s basic structure is enough. The key to engagement lies in being creative with the balance of the year. A mixture of tours, mini-tours, friendlies, 3-way fixtures, long-lost local derbies, half-pitch tag tournaments, 10s festivals, open days to engage local communities, early kick-offs on International weekends, mixed touch tournaments, family days, yes maybe County Cups and even… whisper it, the odd week off; whatever floats your boat and gives players, wives, girlfriends, kids and families enough variety to make “Saturday afternoon down the Rugby Club” a more interesting, attractive and inclusive offer.

As I understand it, last time round, the argument against the reduction from 14-12 team leagues (Which was the RFU’s preferred choice and recommendation nationally, having spent a 6 or maybe 7 figure sum on a consultation, it was only a Yorkshire/Northern Cadre that dug their heels in and stamped their feet until the RFU capitulated) was the assertion that “we can’t afford to lose the revenue from those 2 home games.” Not my place to tell others how to run their clubs but I’d suggest that if that 2-game marginal revenue is that important, and particularly if that revenue is in envelopes going round a changing room below National League level, then you’re borderline unsustainable already.

It’s obviously not wrong, indeed it’s essential, that many clubs are upwardly mobile, and if, to this end, they want to pay players and have 26-30 League Games a Year to fund that then that’s absolutely fine. Aspirational clubs would still be able to force their way out of “Social” rugby and up the structure over a period of time if they wanted to, and could afford it. I’m speaking from the perspective of those clubs who don’t see themselves as the next Exeter, Doncaster, or even West Leeds, but want to perpetuate the playing of Rugby as a mostly social, recreational, enjoyable, amateur endeavour and provide the same to as many as possible who share that aspiration. There’s more of us than you’d think!

The crux is, where is the line below which smaller leagues might be appropriate? My feel is that its Y1 and down. Others will no doubt feel differently.

I’m also not naïve enough to think much of the above is going to be adopted quickly, if at all; but a reduction in League size in 2019-20 from 14 to 12 in Y1, and 10-team Leagues at Y2 and below would be a start.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: RFU North Review
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:34:21 PM »
All views my own etc.

Not expecting this to be universally popular, and it’s admittedly coming from the perspectives of player retention/recruitment and the lower half/two-thirds of the Leagues, but the structure of the season needs to change drastically if the slide in playing numbers is to be halted. Some imagination is required, alongside a recognition that maintaining the status quo of 14-team Leagues equates to taking the same option when something is clearly not working, a definition of insanity.

The days of most players playing every week between the start of September and early May have gone. The majority of people on this Forum and involved in running their clubs and the Game as a whole (another facet of the problem), played when this wasn’t the case and resent/can’t understand why this has changed. I’m afraid it’s time to embrace the horror. 18-30 year olds now have infinitely more distractions and demands on their weekends (including getting married & having Stag Dos during the season!) from partners, family and work.

It’s time for some radical, evolved thinking as to what Saturday Rugby needs to mean to appeal to existing players & watchers and attract new ones. The solution lies in drastically fewer league games below National League level. An unremitting diet of 26, 80-minute league games a year, with minimal season to season variation in opposition, out of the 30 weeks available is just too one-dimensional and out of date and leaves ZERO room for anything else once weather has forced rearranged fixtures.

At “Social Rugby” level, and the crucial point is where in the League structure you draw that line, 18 league games a year to give the season it’s basic structure is enough. The key to engagement lies in being creative with the balance of the year. A mixture of tours, mini-tours, friendlies, 3-way fixtures, long-lost local derbies, half-pitch tag tournaments, 10s festivals, open days to engage local communities, early kick-offs on International weekends, mixed touch tournaments, family days, yes maybe County Cups and even… whisper it, the odd week off; whatever floats your boat and gives players, wives, girlfriends, kids and families enough variety to make “Saturday afternoon down the Rugby Club” a more interesting, attractive and inclusive offer.

As I understand it, last time round, the argument against the reduction from 14-12 team leagues (Which was the RFU’s preferred choice and recommendation nationally, having spent a 6 or maybe 7 figure sum on a consultation, it was only a Yorkshire/Northern Cadre that dug their heels in and stamped their feet until the RFU capitulated) was the assertion that “we can’t afford to lose the revenue from those 2 home games.” Not my place to tell others how to run their clubs but I’d suggest that if that 2-game marginal revenue is that important, and particularly if that revenue is in envelopes going round a changing room below National League level, then you’re borderline unsustainable already.

It’s obviously not wrong, indeed it’s essential, that many clubs are upwardly mobile, and if, to this end, they want to pay players and have 26-30 League Games a Year to fund that then that’s absolutely fine. Aspirational clubs would still be able to force their way out of “Social” rugby and up the structure over a period of time if they wanted to, and could afford it. I’m speaking from the perspective of those clubs who don’t see themselves as the next Exeter, Doncaster, or even West Leeds, but want to perpetuate the playing of Rugby as a mostly social, recreational, enjoyable, amateur endeavour and provide the same to as many as possible who share that aspiration. There’s more of us than you’d think!

The crux is, where is the line below which smaller leagues might be appropriate? My feel is that its Y1 and down. Others will no doubt feel differently.

I’m also not naïve enough to think much of the above is going to be adopted quickly, if at all; but a reduction in League size in 2019-20 from 14 to 12 in Y1, and 10-team Leagues at Y2 and below would be a start.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Pundits League October Bonus Game
« on: October 04, 2018, 09:34:51 PM »
There are too many league games. Lads flock away with wives, lads trips, resting injuries etc when the cup weekends comes up. Gone are the days the default is position for players is to just go down to the club every Saturday. Rugby needs to evolve and get with the times. Also, who wants to play same teams in cup they play twice a year in league?

Players are voting with their availability and these cancelled games. About time people realise 26 games for amateur teams is too much. Less league games and focus on social, mini tours and a cup game across regions on other weekends. Rugby like it used to be.

Amateur teams playing same amouny of games as pros. Madness.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Training for Electronic Match Cards
« on: July 01, 2018, 09:34:28 PM »
Everyone’s favourite north leeds club. Leos.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Training for Electronic Match Cards
« on: July 01, 2018, 10:15:10 AM »
What is this sorcery?  First we’ve heard.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Bus trips
« on: May 28, 2018, 10:41:06 PM »
Hi flagman

Leos defiantely keen. We’d like to bring more than one side and make a proper outing of it. How many teams do you put out and is this an option?

D

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Yorkshire trophy
« on: May 17, 2018, 03:22:08 PM »
As long as he doesn’t sit on a panel for his own players I don’t see the issue. He’s probably involved in all these things because he makes a living out of rugby and understands the system.  He’s a decent coach.  After all, this isn’t the premier league, it’s supposed to be amateur rugby.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Yorkshire trophy
« on: May 17, 2018, 03:19:57 PM »
Congrats Thonre, that's a bloody good result and well deserved. Shows to me that the wrong team are going down this year. What a way to end a season. Enjoy the beers.

Haters gonna hate.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Leos v 'Hegians.
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:06:56 PM »
Leos 44 Hegians 14.

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Week 23 Banter
« on: March 14, 2018, 10:18:43 AM »
You need a cuddle don’t you?

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Yorkshire 2 / Re: Week 23 Banter
« on: March 13, 2018, 06:41:59 PM »
WetherbyTitan: Leo's vs Snoozhegians - does anyone care? I wish leos would just go down it must be boring fighting relagation 4 years running

Talk us through all the hate WT, share with the group.
Do you need a cuddle?
Who has upset you?
Inferiority complex?
Blue collar worker dreaming big?
Did a Leo steal your dream girl / man?
Gazumped in Alwoodley?
No real club rival so trying to create one?
Can't get over your defeat earlier this year?
Is it the superior stash?

The relegation battle provides something to play for.  Are you a safe kind of guy is that it, does it stress you out?
Good chance we'll go down and you'll have your wish but up or down we'll be giving out love.

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