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It isn't just the young generation me who are guilty. I've been told someone known to my dad got back last week from a holiday. 2 days later they received a phone call to their mobile from Bradford track and trace asking if they were prepared for 12 more days of isolation. They said 'of course we are', 'can you come to your window and wave at us then please so we can see you are isolating?', 'ah, well, we are just shopping in Pontefract at the moment so no.' £1000 fine and rightly so.

I'm guessing they've never had the problem of university student debt to worry about  :)

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They could get their 12 team leagues by default when clubs start going to the wall....

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Sail By,
           hope you good people at Sandhill Lane are keeping well and safe. On the contrary to your post I think its a disaster to start the ladies premier league again. They have stated that they will not test players  as some are amateurs (just keeping costs down IMO) and may not be available for testing due to work commitments. Given what has happened at Sale etc with their testing protocol. How can this move deemed to be safe ??
Given the current almost verticle rise in daily new infections (without doubt due to students going to university/colleges and not adhering to the guidelines) how the hell can we condone the RFU decision to start the ladies league.
Nobody wants Rugby to get going again more than me, but, I think this another disaster waiting to happen.
Regards to all at Selby from all at North Ribb.
I haven't really read up on it....but on the face of it, it seems like madness.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Autumn internationals predictions?
« on: September 24, 2020, 09:35:35 AM »
I'll play...but I've no idea what the fixtures are??

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The Telegraph (well worth subscribing to)

English rugby on edge of precipice as RFU seeks financial aid from Government in face of 'irreparable damage to our clubs'
Several clubs are expected to go under, with predicted losses of revenue at over £120m if no crowds are allowed at matches before April

By
Gavin Mairs,
 CHIEF RUGBY UNION CORRESPONDENT
22 September 2020 • 8:44pm
Gloucester fans in the stands
The piloting of fans returning to stadiums has been scrapped CREDIT: PA

For the Rugby Football Union, Tuesday’s government announcement could not have been any worse, with the ban on supporters attending sporting events for six months affecting not just the autumn Nations Cup but also the entire Six Nations Championship next year.

The Rugby Football Union, which has already made 140 people redundant, predicted a total loss of revenue of £138 million without crowds during that period, and an overall loss of £60m, a devastating financial blow to the governing body.

The impact on community rugby would be equally as crippling, with the RFU predicting that without crowds and league games, the grass-roots game would lose £86m.

Premiership Rugby clubs are also facing a bleak future without any government support. Several clubs are expected to go under, with predicted losses of revenue at over £120m if no crowds are allowed at matches before April. That takes the total revenue lost for English rugby to £344m.


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Bill Sweeney, the RFU chief executive and his Premiership counterpart Darren Childs, both met Oliver Dowden, the Culture Secretary, on Tuesday to outline the alarming extent of the damage the extended restrictions would have.

The meeting was said to have been positive, with optimism that there would be significant support.

“We understand the difficult balance the Government faces in controlling the spread of the virus while enabling parts of society and the economy to remain open,” said Sweeney. “We all need to follow the advice given and play our part in helping to get the virus under control. No crowds at Twickenham for the Autumn Quilter Internationals, the Premiership in October or the Championship and community game will, however, have severe consequences for the sport in England across all levels.

“From the outset, we have been clear that an autumn without crowds would leave us with little choice but to approach the Government for financial help.

“Unfortunately, we are now in that position. Without support we are in danger of clubs at the heart of communities across England, as well as players and volunteers, disappearing for ever.

“Sport is vital for people’s physical and mental health, both of which have never been as critical as they are now. We appreciate the very difficult challenge that the Government faces and the Government acknowledges the importance of sport to communities and society as a whole and the need to safeguard our future.”

Premiership Rugby is to hold separate negotiations with the Government to secure a bailout that would prevent several clubs from going out of business.

“The announcement that supporters will not be allowed into stadiums for up to six months cuts off crucial revenue for the Premiership Rugby clubs who have already suffered significant financial losses from suspending the season and playing matches behind closed doors since March,” said Childs.

“We believe the lack of supporters in our grounds could cause irreparable damage to our clubs and the communities they serve so we must find a way forward to avoid this.”

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The Guardian (a commie rag but a good article)

From top to bottom, rugby union is now staring into the abyss
From the best-run Premiership club to the grassroots, all parts of the game are in peril but not all its ills can be pinned on Covid

There is nothing quite like a pandemic for exposing hard, uncomfortable truths. And, give or take stand-up comedians, nightclub owners and first year university students, few face a bleaker midwinter than sports that live or die by people entering their stadiums each weekend. The word “catastrophe” usually jars in the context of mere athletic pursuits but increasingly, in rugby, there is no ducking it.

It is almost impossible to exaggerate the depth of the abyss into which much of the game – professional and amateur – in Britain and Ireland is now staring. At every level it relies, in sickness or in health, on the top of the pyramid delivering for the benefit of all. So when the Rugby Football Union, until recently the wealthiest union in the world, says a government bailout is needed to prop up the whole edifice a chill shiver should run down the spine of everyone with an oval-shaped heart.


Sport left to sweat on rescue from a half-listening government
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Imagine for a moment that, in addition to the many millions of pounds already lost, the 2021 Six Nations has to be played behind closed doors or cancelled altogether. In some ways the immediate pain it would cause within the elite game is the least of it. Bill Sweeney, the RFU’s chief executive, says there will be a £138m reduction in revenue if no spectators are allowed back into Twickenham before next summer, with the English community game braced for an estimated £86m revenue hit.

To transfer those numbers off a spreadsheet and drop them into real life is to risk a sizeable panic attack. Maybe a few Premiership clubs would be able to soldier on, courtesy of their sugar daddy owners, but a good number are already tottering. The Championship, supposedly the second tier of the English game, already looks doomed, with funding potentially set to be cut from £640,000 per club to £40,000 next season. Below them, dozens of impoverished local clubs with no income will struggle to survive, endangering the long-term supply chain from grassroots to national teams. The fledgling women’s professional set-up, sevens, age-group representative rugby, academies, referees … any number of talented and enthusiastic people have had the rug pulled from under them – or soon will.

The Irish Rugby Football Union’s chief executive, Philip Browne, has already given a stark assessment to an Irish parliamentary committee, suggesting the “very existence of professional rugby” in his country is under threat if fans cannot return in sufficiently large numbers. He revealed the IRFU’s cash surplus of €28m in June was likely to be transformed into a debt of around €10m by next summer and had no hesitation in using the “c” word. “Irish rugby’s net losses in 2020 are catastrophic,” he said. “The rugby infrastructure built over 150 years is under threat.”

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 A packed Aviva Stadium watches Ireland take on Wales earlier this year. The IRFU says its net losses this year are ‘catastrophic’. Photograph: Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images
Few in Wales and Scotland would argue differently and even the best-run professional club in England are feeling the intensifying heat. Exeter are essentially a conference and banqueting business with a rugby club attached and are currently losing at least £1m per month. Rob Baxter, their director of rugby, has spent enough time in board meetings to be genuinely alarmed. “It doesn’t take a genius to have concerns. I am a club director so I see the financial predictions, the expectations of what we need crowd-wise, what we need to be taking over the bar etc.

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“There is a reality that this cannot go on, if we genuinely as a country want sport and sporting venues to be able to continue and provide what they do for their communities. Sport is a huge part of this country’s culture that we can’t just let slip by without taking some action about it. Let’s hope there is a genuine concern taken by the government in how they aim to help us and how they also aim to get crowds back in as soon as they possibly can.”

Then again, should government bailouts be casually handed to organisations that have previously been awash with money and seemingly put little aside for a rainy day? Should certain administrators have allowed their dominoes to remain so tightly stacked or been so heavily reliant on a golden goose that has now ceased laying? In France this week the vice-chairman of World Rugby, Bernard Laporte, has been questioned by prosecutors investigating possible corruption. In Australia, Qantas has just withdrawn as main sponsor after 30 years, delivering another heavy financial blow to the sport down under. Rugby is in serious strife and not all its woes can be blamed on Covid-19.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: September 22, 2020, 06:39:47 AM »
If clubs haven't already been planning for a season with no rugby, then they should start now.

It's highly unlikely we will see meaningful competitive rugby during season 20/21. That means that many clubs will see their income drop to almost zero. Every club is different and will have different circumstances but I urge anyone who has had their head in sand to pull it out and act now.

We need as many clubs as possible to still be in good shape by Sept 2021....it will be a miracle if we don't lose clubs across the UK. Lets hope for that miracle.


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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: September 14, 2020, 08:01:18 AM »
Anybody got any revised thoughts on league rugby returning?

I still find it unlikely we'll see any "normal" rugby in 2020.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: September 01, 2020, 09:03:24 PM »
I doubt the attendance at matches is causing too much concern. It is relatively easy to manage and mitigate the risk in small rugby union crowds. (Even if like in most walks of life in reality the measures are somewhat ignored after a noble start!).

The problem remains the game itself where there can't even be the pretence of meaningful mitigation.... therefore I think Robs comment of "acceptance of risk" is probably the most likely way forward.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: August 28, 2020, 06:31:01 PM »
I had lunch with Bill Sweeney today and he is and the RFU are pushing very hard for a November start.

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Yorkshire 1 / Re: Opening clubhouses
« on: August 24, 2020, 01:08:22 PM »
In some cases it may make more sense to keep staff furloughed...

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: August 23, 2020, 05:10:25 PM »
Slightly off topic but relevant non the less.

The RFU seem to be either tone deaf to (arrogant) or completely misinformed regarding (poor representation) the views of clubs and the feelings of rugby clubs. I was going to say grassroots rugby clubs but decided that the term is unhelpful. We are all just rugby clubs which sit at different levels in the league structure. The fact we are at level 5,6,7,8 or whatever instead of 1,2,3 or 4 is irrelevant.

Let's compare two clubs...both only have one senior team, both only have one pitch. The first plays in front of 10,000 people and is on TV, the second plays in front of 20 people. The first has no minis and juniors, the second (despite the cost) valiantly runs minis and juniors for the community it resides in....with one pitch it's a struggle but they do it.  The first club provides entertainment to many people on TV and sends players to the England squad...the second club gives boys, girls, men and women an opportunity to drag themselves away from the TV and perhaps aspire to play for the first club or England. So probably one is Premiership and one is Yorkshire 5.

I am in no way trying to suggest that one club is more important than the other....the point is that it is a symbiotic relationship which requires all clubs to coexist for the betterment of the game of rugby.

Why then does club one have such a loud voice and club two is treated with such utter contempt?

Come on RFU, in general you have been a star performer throughout the pandemic, your coms have been good as has your support for the club's who need it most... Please as we move into the next stage of restart, consult directly with clubs regarding what should happen next.

All clubs have elected Boards or committees who represent the views of that particular club. Write to each Board/committee and ask their views. The league restructuring demonstrates how bypassing elected bodies deprives you of any mandate. You say "players want X" but what you don't say is that only about 10 players partook in the consultation!

So my view is:

a) either tell me it's your organisation and this is what's happening without pretence of consultation.
Or
b) undertake a genuine consultation and implement the outcome even if it doesn't suit.

At least if you're honest and it's a)... we can all choose to join or form another organisation.

Thank you for anyone who could be bothered to read this!

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Rugby Start up
« on: August 23, 2020, 07:57:56 AM »
10v10 touch and pass allowed...with plenty of other safety measures.

It will be months and months until you can watch rugby in the way we used to.

We should all prepare ourselves for the possibility of a full season off.

Personally I am now of the opinion that the league programme should be scrapped for next season. If in the event that rugby in a normal 15 a side format can return then clubs should organise local mini leagues with neighbouring clubs.. For me that would turn a possible disaster into a nice little change for a season.



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Other Senior Rugby / Re: Update on Future League Structure
« on: August 22, 2020, 08:15:08 PM »
Does anyone actually think that Jim Chapman represents Yorksire? Genuine question....his record doesn't seem to suggest so.

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