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Disciplinary question
« on: January 06, 2019, 07:51:58 PM »
Reading the Morpeth v Malton match report on the Malton website (not a bad effort by Malton btw) I note that Morpeth were awarded a red card.

It made me think about the disciplinary process. Am I right in thinking that the Morpeth player will be dealt with by a D&N disciplinary committee. Whereas a Yorkshire team in N1E will be dealt with by a Yorkshire committee. Ok I might be wrong and therefore my point is invalid.
However if I'm right.....

How can it be right and equitable that teams in the same league are dealt with by two different disciplinary processes. It just doesn't make sense.

Before I comment further can someone confirm if this is correct???

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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2019, 07:56:04 PM »
You are correct at that level.

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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2019, 07:58:36 PM »
Reading the Morpeth v Malton match report on the Malton website (not a bad effort by Malton btw) I note that Morpeth were awarded a red card.

It made me think about the disciplinary process. Am I right in thinking that the Morpeth player will be dealt with by a D&N disciplinary committee. Whereas a Yorkshire team in N1E will be dealt with by a Yorkshire committee. Ok I might be wrong and therefore my point is invalid.
However if I'm right.....

How can it be right and equitable that teams in the same league are dealt with by two different disciplinary processes. It just doesn't make sense.

Before I comment further can someone confirm if this is correct???
Historically they are dealt with by their relevant County panel.

This season Acklam (once) and Whitby (twice) have been in front of the Yorkshire Panel  whilst both playing in DN1
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2019, 08:00:41 PM »
What an utter nonsense that is!!

So we have D&N members ruling on one of the few D&N clubs who can hack it in N1E....

I suggest that the RFU NCC need to forn an integrated disciplinary committee for regional leagues.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2019, 08:03:45 PM »
Donny Pheonix play in Midlands League but they too have been in front of the Yorks Panel - and got a bit of a spanking.
Clubs answer to their CB, Discipline is but one aspect of that.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2019, 08:05:00 PM »
In fact regardless of possible conflict of interest... It's just natural justice that all teams are rules on by the same body. They will have certain emphasis which should be equally applied to all clubs..

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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2019, 08:05:54 PM »
Donny Pheonix play in Midlands League but they too have been in front of the Yorks Panel - and got a bit of a spanking.
Clubs answer to their CB, Discipline is but one aspect of that.

Time for a change. I don't care who the ruling committee is but it should be the same for all clubs in any given league.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2019, 08:11:35 PM »
What an utter nonsense that is!!

So we have D&N members ruling on one of the few D&N clubs who can hack it in N1E....

I suggest that the RFU NCC need to forn an integrated disciplinary committee for regional leagues.
Based on your last sentence, i suspect the status quo is preferable.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2019, 10:31:36 PM »
A red card after 2 questionable yellows, awarded by a Yorkshire referee, refereeing a Yorkshire team in Northumberland (Not commenting on ref, just filling in detail).
Pick the bones out of that.
The whole scenario is ridiculous.

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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2019, 10:41:43 PM »
Let's not get bogged down on the detail of the case. 2 yellows is likely to be sending off sufficient whoever is the committee.

It's the principle I'm referring to.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2019, 10:49:32 PM »
Let's not get bogged down on the detail of the case. 2 yellows is likely to be sending off sufficient whoever is the committee.

It's the principle I'm referring to.
But why shouldn't it be a clubs CB panel that deals with it?

The costs/logistics/availability of Panel would be quite a burden if you were to centralise.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2019, 07:58:40 AM »
It seems a bit outdated that there isn't a level playing field for determination within the same league.

Also it's time we got up to date with use of video conferencing.

It's all very well for players from Leeds and Bradford popping down the road for a quick hearing and back in time for EastEnders....but from other parts of the County it is a 5 hour commitment for an amateur player and another amateur official from the club.

There are plenty of well established video conferencing platforms which could be easily used for this process.

Again, making it fairer for all players and not just the ones who happen to live in West Yorkshire.
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Re: Disciplinary question
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2019, 09:43:18 AM »
In their defence, they do deal with quite a few cases over the phone.
Although i think that requires you to put your hand up and fess up and plead guilty as charged.

Thinking about it. Is there not an issue with due process (or whatever it's called)?
That is, a formal process must be carried out thus removing/minimising any potential legal issues further down the line. Hence the need for a formal panel and meeting.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 09:47:33 AM by avinastella »
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