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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2019, 10:10:20 AM »
The above clips show the problems and frustrations of N1E (which players and coaches of all sides talk to each other about every week). Over the years the standard of rugby at this level has increased dramatically, but the standard of refereeing remains average in general (bar one or 2 exceptions who quickly get promoted) or dismal in many cases.
Someone above already alluded to one of the issues, the ref sees 'something' or thinks he's seen 'something' so blows his whistle as a reaction, then makes up an offence to justify it. This just antagonises players and leads to more trouble.
I'm not sure what the answer is and I'm not having a go per se at the refs, they have my admiration for doing a very difficult job, I'm an ex player and had no interest in becoming a ref so hats off to them.


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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2019, 10:27:43 AM »
Folded like a deck chair... awesome hit nothing wrong with it, I also doubt the ref can even see it all that well from where he is. The standard of refereeing isnt great but massive kudos to anyone who has the balls to do it. If participation in playing is down I imagine the uptake on refereeing is abysmal so your getting what is available, quite a thankless task.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2019, 10:32:01 AM »
If only there was something available to explain what influences the sort of subconscious decision-making processes that refs make.....  ::)
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2019, 10:46:26 AM »
If refs are going to be influenced by reading a board such as this then we're all in trouble.....

Similarly, there are a few really good ones about (3 I can think of straight away), as mentioned above, who's to say which category any ref thinks they fall into...................



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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2019, 10:49:18 AM »
If only there was something available to explain what influences the sort of subconscious decision-making processes that refs make.....  ::)
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2019, 10:53:42 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2019, 11:04:54 AM »
I've looked at the clip quite a few times, as a player I think its a great shot and often ref how I see the game when I played so would again say great shot. Interestingly, there was an identical kind of shot made in the Toulon Racing game on sky on saturday where the shot was good, but I think its that leading arm that rides up and leaves a bit on the guy chin/face that ended with a yellow card. We all know rugby is going a bit soft at the contact and I think its more a directive from the powers that be rather than a poor ref (in this specific situation anyway).

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2019, 11:08:14 AM »
Did anyone ask the referee what that decision was for or was it via their grannies brothers friend of their cousin as that is the problem with forums where generally there is no right to reply and is gossip. If you feel he has made it up then you are questioning his integrity which goes against everything i love about our game. The clip on its own without any other background info can be misinterpreted as there are so many other things to take into account either leading up to it or after. Refs make mistakes as do players and coaches and the best ones admit to them but factor in it is the 2nd highest league in the country where they are on their own in the middle and have to make 3 or 4 snap decisions either physically or mentally at every breakdown and can't replay them on a video. Most referees at L6 and defo higher can get access to match videos which are a brilliant way of developing their own game and thanks to Keighley and Moortown every L7 does as well so not only they can review their own performance but also their coaches and training officers can as well. Don't be shy buy the ref a pint and ask them for a chat about the game as they are all volunteers and can you honestly say all coaches and players are?

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2019, 11:19:57 AM »
I don't think anyone wished to criticise the ref. The clip was to celebrate a great hit. A far as I can tell the penalty is for a breakdown infringement following the tackle.

Purely as an aside I asked if anyone had any idea what the penalty was for? People see different things at the breakdown.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2019, 11:51:48 AM »
I know what the intention of the clip was and it is a good one. I personally couldn't see anything wrong in real time with that clip as it was a good tackle other than potentially side entry when you look at the defending player touching the tackler and creating an offside line. He does retreat but in a split 2nd it is one of those marginal calls that when a human being makes their mind up whereas in hindsight you would give yourself a little longer and probably wouldn't end up giving it. Like i said didn't see the build up or the footage of when the pen was given and what for as there should be a secondary signal.

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2019, 01:59:09 PM »
Anybody genuinely interested in understanding the factors that go into what contributes to creating those "split second marginal calls that a human being makes", message me.
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »
Watched it 50 ish times on the train, I think at pace, the Cleck lad with the pony tail created the "offside" line over the tackled player. The young Scabs lad, possibly a backrow, could, at pace be adjudged to be entering at the side. Marginal, but that's when the Refs arm comes out. Don't think the tackle is involved in the decision making.

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2019, 08:52:14 AM »
I think it's very clear. The tackle was not penalised - nor should it have been. The second arriving Scarborough player could be deemed to have been coming in from the side, and as above contributors have said, marginal call, but very clear that this is when the ref signals an offence. Bit of a non-story really, other than to admire a great tackle for a L6 match.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2019, 04:29:10 PM »
Nice hit from yesterday's match.... anyone any idea what the penalty is for???

https://twitter.com/Campbellrugby/status/1081929591151841281?s=09
The penalty was given against the Scarborough player in the scrum cap for failing to capatilise on the great hit and refusing secure a turn over by smashing the next Cleck player!
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2019, 07:43:06 PM »
One hundred percent think that Carl is right, it doesn't look the correct call from this side, however, from the other side he would have seen the first scabs player there attempt to join, at that split second the next one would then appear to be coming from the side from his perspective. Just one of those things.