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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2019, 02:48:56 PM »
Davie
Meant my previous comment in my post re 13 home games.
Don’t get me wrong I personally, being a retired treasurer of a Y1 club, am quite happy with the current league arrangements.
I agree with most of BRB,s points, it is not a reduction in games that is required it is a whole new approach below the championship level.
I would also state that a club that relies solely on income from bar receipts from rugby games is never going to thrive financially. In this day and age you have to generate income from external sources and having seen the work put in to Dinno,s clubhouse I am sure that is what they do. Also appreciate that some clubhouses do not lend themselves to private functions but having been to all but one in Y1 I do not see many if any in that category.
I will not go on ad nauseum about the state of rugby as it is not a simple solution and suffice to say it is definitely not a one size fits all that HQ would like.
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2019, 03:21:08 PM »
BRB - has a valid point in local games. I appreciate we will struggle to return to a structure before the leagues and the game itself is far a more structured affair, But having played rugby before and after leagues  in the 80’s and 90’s (and a coach in the last 15years) I didn't find the rugby any less competitive prior to the leagues being introduced. OK I can hear some saying “you’re an old fart” but the local rugby that BRB talks about and the derbies  it entailed were far better than the current set up,  with rivalries that often outweighed anything you’d get in league rugby today let alone the revenue these often generated.  Yes, there were teams that aspired to something more and we played them in the Cup competition and often chalked up some notable victories. Maybe there is scope to return to the past as suggested for teams below a certain level but I may be on my own in thinking that,  but I do feel we are going full circle with teams that want leagues at higher level and teams that don’t, but the current situation cannot prevail.
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2019, 12:22:18 PM »
After getting a bloody nose last year the RFU has resorted to a new tactic of setting up "listening panels" with one at West Leeds on November 27th. No doubt we will get feedback that everyone attending loved the ideas that we rejected last year. I suggest that the chosen few who attend should nominate their own minute taker and distribute widely.
"We are writing to you to offer an opportunity to help shape the future of the Adult Male game. We are putting together a series of ‘listening panels’ to discuss the structure of the Adult Male competitions at Level 3 and below. This will include areas such as length of season, number of games played and how best to utilise knockout or cup rugby. We are looking for contributions from a range of people involved in the game from players, to committee members and club administrators. Each panel will have around 20 people involved to keep to manageable numbers, and is an opportunity for you to put forward your ideas to England Rugby about the sport that you are involved.
Please be aware that filling in the form does not guarantee attendance at one of the listening panels and we will select at random to ensure a good spread of role / location / level.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2019, 01:30:03 PM »
I haven't seen a form so I won't be one of the panel...
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2019, 01:49:21 PM »
You’re obviously not important enough.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2019, 02:13:25 PM »
No I'm not!

just found it on the newsletter..

Well that's going to get a really good cross section NOT! No rural areas covered at all and a minimum 2 hour drive in winter for someone from our club.

This will NOT be a representative of the game at all and shouldn't be considered to be so.

25th November – Blaydon
25th November – Old Albanians
27th November – West Park Leeds
27th November – Tunbridge Wells
2nd December – Peterborough
2nd December – Bridgewater & Albion
4th December – Silhillians
4th December - Havant
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2019, 06:06:49 PM »
Well said BRB only two meetings from Birmingham up to the scotch border. Probably covers more than 50% of the country. Maybe its a deliberate tactic to not get many Northern clubs to attend and therefore be able to blame the clubs for not bothering to attend and then doing just as they like anyway. Very poor show IMO.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2019, 06:39:08 PM »
Ah, the RFU Newsletter.
The latest wheeze of the RFU is to announce matters of importance into a newsletter few read and even less know about.
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2020, 02:53:23 PM »
Sent on behalf of Chair of Community Game Board Rob Briers
 
Dear All
 
Thank you to everyone who has contributed to the Adult Male Competition Structure Group (AMCSG) to date, your input is greatly valued.
 
We wished to provide Council with a brief update following the AMCSG presentation of some initial findings and recommendations at a Community Game Board meeting also attended by the CEO earlier this week (and ahead of the Community Game Update to clubs next week).
 
The AMCSG has reviewed all the input received through various channels, and the initial findings and recommendations were discussed at length by the CGB.
 
CGB agreed the key principles presented by the Group and a process moving forward.  This includes a range of models for the structure of leagues to address appropriate travel time/distance, player welfare, player experience / quality of competition and club sustainability factors. These models all therefore variously “flatten” the pyramid and reduce some league sizes.
 
Next steps in this work will be to socialise the proposed structures across the game in two phases in early 2020:
 
Phase One – late January/February – will be to communicate the findings and undertake a digital survey with players and clubs on some of the models and proposals (the aim will be to give Council sight of this before it goes to the Game)
 
The AMCSG will report feedback and proposed models to the RFU Council at the end February.
 
Phase Two - (March to early April) - will consist of a number of face to face meetings with clubs and other stakeholders to explore in more detail the feedback and the initial proposals.
 
A final presentation of, and decision on, the league structures which are to be implemented in the 2021/22 season, will be made at April Council meeting.
 
As a result of initial feedback received, where possible some adjustments to address issues such as player welfare and flexibility, e.g. with rest breaks, will aim to be introduced from start of season 2020/21, which will now be a transition season ahead of full implementation in 2021/22 season. Full guidance will be communicated to all clubs before the end of the 2019/20 season.  Significant additional work is still required on promotion/relegation, cup rugby, Lower XVs in leagues etc., and options on these will be progressed in parallel with the socialisation periods, along with discussions on the future management of competitions.
 
Council members are encouraged to utilise the above information to communicate progress with stakeholders, where required.
 
Please feel free to contact Competitions-Development@RFU.com directly if there are any initial questions or CGB colleagues.
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2020, 09:32:50 PM »
At least they are giving a season notice this time.


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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2020, 04:17:54 PM »
At least they are giving a season notice this time.
Says they are implementing some changes for start of next season.
That'll be the 12 team leagues they are desperate to introduce
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2020, 07:31:30 PM »
I know a lot of clubs are resistent to it but I do think it will be better for the players.

However, I really cannot see them implementing 12 teams league for next season based on what is written. I would expect there to be some sort of change to the cup competitions to ensure more free weekends.  Then move to 12 teams for 2021.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2020, 08:43:12 PM »
I know a lot of clubs are resistent to it but I do think it will be better for the players.

I think 12 is too many...I would suggest 4 team leagues and playing the matches should be optional.

I think it's disgusting that people who have chosen their hobby as rugby should be allowed the option to play rugby on more than 6 Saturdays a year.

In fact wouldn't it make more sense to ban rugby from being played on any year ending in an odd number. So we can really look forward to the few games played every other year... imagine the anticipation.

If 4 games are so critically dangerous to players Dan, why not just scrap all cup matches?

Or better still just limit the number of matches that any player can play?? Then see how the players feel about being told they can't play in some games.

What a sad world that is developing...
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2020, 08:57:42 PM »
Or better still just limit the number of matches that any player can play??

If it is about player welfare and 26 matches is deemed too many, then that would seem the logical way forward.

How many players play every match?

At my club, only 4 players have played in all 15 matches.

If it is about reducing league matches in the name of player welfare, why are there proposals to play Cup matches on the newly available Saturdays?

In my experience, if a player wants a day off to go to his friend's wedding or go on a weekend break, then he takes it.

My preference, and most of the players and members at my club is to continue with 14 team leagues.


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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2020, 10:59:57 AM »
Totally agree 01. Let’s get away from namby pamby tinkering from the RFU and let the people who play the game decide how many games they want to play. If they don’t want to play because of other commitments then it will be as it always has been.
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