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Offline oneoftheoldfarts

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2020, 01:53:22 PM »
Most clubs need to be playing every Saturday to support their continued efforts to provide the facilities etc. Playing less games is a nonsense, as stated on previous comments, the players decide for themselves if they are available or not.
Yorkshire need to dedicate a weekend for the cup competition first rounds, late September, and not change it for an early postponement, that way half the entrants will be out of the way fairly early on and any postponements can be played at thre end of the season if they will affect promotion/relegation if the clubs want to play.
Back in the 70’s and 80’s games were played every Saturday from 1st September through to 30th April, some even played on Wednesday’s and may have also played football on Sundays so why do we in the modern era need to play less games for player welfare. Lots of us are old and grumpy, and we might have several aches and pains, but we made good friends across the game and enjoyed our times together.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2020, 10:35:56 AM »
I know a lot of clubs are resistent to it but I do think it will be better for the players.

I think 12 is too many...I would suggest 4 team leagues and playing the matches should be optional.

I think it's disgusting that people who have chosen their hobby as rugby should be allowed the option to play rugby on more than 6 Saturdays a year.

In fact wouldn't it make more sense to ban rugby from being played on any year ending in an odd number. So we can really look forward to the few games played every other year... imagine the anticipation.

If 4 games are so critically dangerous to players Dan, why not just scrap all cup matches?

Or better still just limit the number of matches that any player can play?? Then see how the players feel about being told they can't play in some games.

What a sad world that is developing...

I've said nowhere in my comments about reducing matches due to the danger of the game so the sarcasm in your response was not required.

When I first started playing senior rugby in early 2000s wasn't it 12 team leagues then? Perhaps my memory is failing.

There is absolutely nothing stopping clubs arranging friendly fixtures if they have enough players wanting to play on free weekends.

Have no issue with stopping the cups, they need serious rethink given the number of clubs pulling out.

It would potentially be better to pull league fixtures out of the hat in Sept to constitute the first round draw and games played as a double header.

Problem is, attitudes are changing to life/sport/relationships/free time/work. Rugby has to move with it. I can rattle off many good players from Old Grovians who have picked up a minor injury in the last 10 years and decided they don't want to play as they don't want to risk losing their job. And when I say minor I mean a black eye, a muscle strain, cut inside mouth to name a few.

I always found rugby injuries a great talking point with customers to break the ice and have a laugh about but each to their own.

Every club is different. From our point of view we make at least 5 changes every single week to the squad because so many of our lads work shifts, socialise, have holidays. A lot of them are late twenties so we are into stag dos and weddings and invariably, they are all away! Some weeks we can be changing 10 players. You can't criticise them, it is amateur rugby, the pressure it puts on the coaches who are also amateur to ring round and fill the team is excessive. We do it because we love it but in my view, the current structure is not sustainable.

Appreciate clubs who have been around for 50 plus years and have a host of facilities won't care about what is going on at newer, lesser clubs who play at a lower level.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2020, 11:30:22 AM »
Dan
       i understand what you are saying ,but, surely if what you say about your team and the number of changes made weekly is factual (I have no reason to think otherwise) what difference would four more non competitive weekends make.
In my opinion Grovians are to be admired for doing what you have in the last 8 or so years, however clubs like Ribb (who I think are the same as most clubs)  totally rely on home games and the revenue they generate to keep going. If Grovians were to further progress and get club facilities i am sure your thinking would be more in line with clubs such as ours.
This in no way meant as a slight at your position/facilities as (previously stated you have my admiration) but I think your thinking may change as your financial costs will inevitably increase as you progress.
Best wishes and I look forward to seeing you at our "Palace" later in the season.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2020, 12:54:51 PM »
We want to keep 14 team leagues but if losing 2 home games a season is going to seriously affect the clubs income you need to rethink your whole business strategy.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2020, 01:56:31 PM »
Hi Flaggy, watch this space at Grovians, we haven't the finances for a plush new clubhouse but are hoping we to put something in place to at least sort the changing room situation in the next 18 months with a lot of hard work and a bit of luck.

The reason I think more free weekends is better is that hopefully the players will be more able to organise themselves socially rather than having so many games in a row. For the clubs who put out 2/3/4 teams, they could clearly arrange home fixtures if they have the players availability in terms of friendlies, perhaps against local rivals as well to ensure a decent crowd. It isn't as if clubs like ours bring a coach load of supporters anyway so unfortunately our fixture won't be seen as a cash cow for anyone!

I am getting the feeling that sadly a lot of people in society now you can no longer have discussion without using sarcasm, ridicule or even abuse to attempt to 'win' a debate.  We have lost the ability to see things from a different perspective.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2020, 08:33:24 PM »
On this subject some of us have been worn down to the point of sarcasm by the RFU (aka Nicola Sturgeon) constantly coming back with the same proposal in a different coloured package.

As for friendlies... You yourself have pointed out how the game has changed and one of those changes is the near complete irrelevance of friendlies now. With a few exceptions more friendlies become cancellations than are actually played. The changes in society you previously referred to, also mean that the idea of playing a seemingly meaningless match no longer holds the interest of most players or spectators.

I have yet to be convinced of the problem that the RFU are trying to solve.

If player welfare is the overriding consideration then further measures to de-power the game will be far more effective in preventing injuries and promoting long-term sustainability of our sport.

Rugby Union was traditionally a game of evasion not contact... Therein lies the future (i.e. the past!!)

Changes to rucking and clearing out are an absolute must.... Likewise changes to age grade rugby and the obsession of grouping children who are travelling through adolescence simply by age rather than size and weight.

So I completely disagree with reducing leagues from 14 to 12. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and there is a total lack of any evidence to support it.

However I do agree with trying to make leagues as local as possible.... especially at lower team levels.

I would support Yorkshire taking over some of the league structure.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2020, 08:37:00 PM by backrowbandit »
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2020, 10:14:20 PM »
Understand your points and I can almost be swayed. I think the side you fall on is largely due to your own experiences with the club or clubs you have been involved in.


I mention friendlies because I continually hear about how great it was in the 60s 70s 80s when three teams would all be on the same coach to play another club. But I agree, there will be plenty of players not making themselves available for that, particularly those that won't be receiving recompense for the effort.

Whatever happens, we just need to try and make the best of it and not spend hours fighting against it. Whatever happens, there will be clubs not happy with it, we just have to trust they ahbe the best interest of the majority at the heart of whatever they decide.


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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2020, 05:42:54 PM »
Has anyone completed the Adult Male Future Competitions Survey which was sent out this afternoon?
Detailed introduction and stats.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2020, 06:04:24 PM »
Has anyone completed the Adult Male Future Competitions Survey which was sent out this afternoon?
Detailed introduction and stats.
As anyone received it?
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Offline Dan Nulty

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2020, 06:33:29 PM »
Nothing in my inbox. Perhaps it has only gone to those few mystery people who managed to get a place at the review meeting.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2020, 06:51:13 PM »
I didn’t go but I’ll send the review to your email address.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2020, 07:17:45 PM »
Thanks Peter, received.

Have to say, I don't feel I can complete it. Every option suggests 10 team leagues for level 7 and below with a caveat that the structures can be decided locally. It doesn't seem right therefore that clubs from 8-10 are voting on structures for 3-6 (assuming every one at 7 has ambitions to play at 6 or above). I don't feel can vote for something that doesn't have an impact on me, whilst also suggesting I am voting for a 10 team league that I am not sure anybody wants? Will ask the players and see what they say.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2020, 09:09:54 PM »
I agree.

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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2020, 11:17:53 AM »
Fill the questionnaire in and just put ZERO for each option...

Its like they have recruited Robert Mugabes Head of Questionnaires to lead this process.
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Re: Adult male competition structure review
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2020, 05:33:54 PM »
Has anyone completed the Adult Male Future Competitions Survey which was sent out this afternoon?
Detailed introduction and stats.

https://t.co/k9s4SSKbro?amp=1

I don't think you have to be invited to complete the survey. The RFU seem hell bent on reducing the leagues to 12 as there are no options for 14.