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The Guardian (a commie rag but a good article)

From top to bottom, rugby union is now staring into the abyss
From the best-run Premiership club to the grassroots, all parts of the game are in peril but not all its ills can be pinned on Covid

There is nothing quite like a pandemic for exposing hard, uncomfortable truths. And, give or take stand-up comedians, nightclub owners and first year university students, few face a bleaker midwinter than sports that live or die by people entering their stadiums each weekend. The word “catastrophe” usually jars in the context of mere athletic pursuits but increasingly, in rugby, there is no ducking it.

It is almost impossible to exaggerate the depth of the abyss into which much of the game – professional and amateur – in Britain and Ireland is now staring. At every level it relies, in sickness or in health, on the top of the pyramid delivering for the benefit of all. So when the Rugby Football Union, until recently the wealthiest union in the world, says a government bailout is needed to prop up the whole edifice a chill shiver should run down the spine of everyone with an oval-shaped heart.


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Imagine for a moment that, in addition to the many millions of pounds already lost, the 2021 Six Nations has to be played behind closed doors or cancelled altogether. In some ways the immediate pain it would cause within the elite game is the least of it. Bill Sweeney, the RFU’s chief executive, says there will be a £138m reduction in revenue if no spectators are allowed back into Twickenham before next summer, with the English community game braced for an estimated £86m revenue hit.

To transfer those numbers off a spreadsheet and drop them into real life is to risk a sizeable panic attack. Maybe a few Premiership clubs would be able to soldier on, courtesy of their sugar daddy owners, but a good number are already tottering. The Championship, supposedly the second tier of the English game, already looks doomed, with funding potentially set to be cut from £640,000 per club to £40,000 next season. Below them, dozens of impoverished local clubs with no income will struggle to survive, endangering the long-term supply chain from grassroots to national teams. The fledgling women’s professional set-up, sevens, age-group representative rugby, academies, referees … any number of talented and enthusiastic people have had the rug pulled from under them – or soon will.

The Irish Rugby Football Union’s chief executive, Philip Browne, has already given a stark assessment to an Irish parliamentary committee, suggesting the “very existence of professional rugby” in his country is under threat if fans cannot return in sufficiently large numbers. He revealed the IRFU’s cash surplus of €28m in June was likely to be transformed into a debt of around €10m by next summer and had no hesitation in using the “c” word. “Irish rugby’s net losses in 2020 are catastrophic,” he said. “The rugby infrastructure built over 150 years is under threat.”

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 A packed Aviva Stadium watches Ireland take on Wales earlier this year. The IRFU says its net losses this year are ‘catastrophic’. Photograph: Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images
Few in Wales and Scotland would argue differently and even the best-run professional club in England are feeling the intensifying heat. Exeter are essentially a conference and banqueting business with a rugby club attached and are currently losing at least £1m per month. Rob Baxter, their director of rugby, has spent enough time in board meetings to be genuinely alarmed. “It doesn’t take a genius to have concerns. I am a club director so I see the financial predictions, the expectations of what we need crowd-wise, what we need to be taking over the bar etc.

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“There is a reality that this cannot go on, if we genuinely as a country want sport and sporting venues to be able to continue and provide what they do for their communities. Sport is a huge part of this country’s culture that we can’t just let slip by without taking some action about it. Let’s hope there is a genuine concern taken by the government in how they aim to help us and how they also aim to get crowds back in as soon as they possibly can.”

Then again, should government bailouts be casually handed to organisations that have previously been awash with money and seemingly put little aside for a rainy day? Should certain administrators have allowed their dominoes to remain so tightly stacked or been so heavily reliant on a golden goose that has now ceased laying? In France this week the vice-chairman of World Rugby, Bernard Laporte, has been questioned by prosecutors investigating possible corruption. In Australia, Qantas has just withdrawn as main sponsor after 30 years, delivering another heavy financial blow to the sport down under. Rugby is in serious strife and not all its woes can be blamed on Covid-19.
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2020, 07:38:37 PM »
The Telegraph (well worth subscribing to)

English rugby on edge of precipice as RFU seeks financial aid from Government in face of 'irreparable damage to our clubs'
Several clubs are expected to go under, with predicted losses of revenue at over £120m if no crowds are allowed at matches before April

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Gavin Mairs,
 CHIEF RUGBY UNION CORRESPONDENT
22 September 2020 • 8:44pm
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The piloting of fans returning to stadiums has been scrapped CREDIT: PA

For the Rugby Football Union, Tuesday’s government announcement could not have been any worse, with the ban on supporters attending sporting events for six months affecting not just the autumn Nations Cup but also the entire Six Nations Championship next year.

The Rugby Football Union, which has already made 140 people redundant, predicted a total loss of revenue of £138 million without crowds during that period, and an overall loss of £60m, a devastating financial blow to the governing body.

The impact on community rugby would be equally as crippling, with the RFU predicting that without crowds and league games, the grass-roots game would lose £86m.

Premiership Rugby clubs are also facing a bleak future without any government support. Several clubs are expected to go under, with predicted losses of revenue at over £120m if no crowds are allowed at matches before April. That takes the total revenue lost for English rugby to £344m.


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Bill Sweeney, the RFU chief executive and his Premiership counterpart Darren Childs, both met Oliver Dowden, the Culture Secretary, on Tuesday to outline the alarming extent of the damage the extended restrictions would have.

The meeting was said to have been positive, with optimism that there would be significant support.

“We understand the difficult balance the Government faces in controlling the spread of the virus while enabling parts of society and the economy to remain open,” said Sweeney. “We all need to follow the advice given and play our part in helping to get the virus under control. No crowds at Twickenham for the Autumn Quilter Internationals, the Premiership in October or the Championship and community game will, however, have severe consequences for the sport in England across all levels.

“From the outset, we have been clear that an autumn without crowds would leave us with little choice but to approach the Government for financial help.

“Unfortunately, we are now in that position. Without support we are in danger of clubs at the heart of communities across England, as well as players and volunteers, disappearing for ever.

“Sport is vital for people’s physical and mental health, both of which have never been as critical as they are now. We appreciate the very difficult challenge that the Government faces and the Government acknowledges the importance of sport to communities and society as a whole and the need to safeguard our future.”

Premiership Rugby is to hold separate negotiations with the Government to secure a bailout that would prevent several clubs from going out of business.

“The announcement that supporters will not be allowed into stadiums for up to six months cuts off crucial revenue for the Premiership Rugby clubs who have already suffered significant financial losses from suspending the season and playing matches behind closed doors since March,” said Childs.

“We believe the lack of supporters in our grounds could cause irreparable damage to our clubs and the communities they serve so we must find a way forward to avoid this.”
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2020, 11:38:45 AM »
Given today's news that the final weekend of Premiership games is in chaos due to two clubs suffering an outbreak despite all the testing and "bubbling" that takes place at that level, we seem to be at a decision point.

Do we accept that there's nothing that can be done to stop this thing until a vaccine becomes available and start playing again with individuals taking their own risk decisions regarding participation,

Or stop pretending any form of meaningful competition can / is likely to happen this season and pull the shutters down, leaving clubs to carry on their own internal training systems in the interests of physical and mental wellbeing and explore alternative methods of income generation ?

Not sure where I stand on this one....

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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2020, 02:48:42 PM »
I think clubs need to work together on this to get some rugby played and get some money into the club. Whether it be Ready4Rugby or touch and pass. Sandal and Morley played last Friday night with 5 teams from each club; 6 teams at Sandal and 4 at Morley. I personally really enjoyed it and Morley did a great job following all the guidance that’s been set out.

Fully understand that not all clubs maybe as close to each other though.

I always said no rugby this side of Christmas but if I had to put a bet on I’d say no rugby till Easter at the earliest and that would be some sort of mini cup competition.
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2020, 03:13:34 PM »
Good to hear.
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2020, 08:01:58 PM »
So some real positive  news today with the Women's Premiership starting up without testing protocols.

Some very interesting law changes to minimise contact.

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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 11:54:15 PM »
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           hope you good people at Sandhill Lane are keeping well and safe. On the contrary to your post I think its a disaster to start the ladies premier league again. They have stated that they will not test players  as some are amateurs (just keeping costs down IMO) and may not be available for testing due to work commitments. Given what has happened at Sale etc with their testing protocol. How can this move deemed to be safe ??
Given the current almost verticle rise in daily new infections (without doubt due to students going to university/colleges and not adhering to the guidelines) how the hell can we condone the RFU decision to start the ladies league.
Nobody wants Rugby to get going again more than me, but, I think this another disaster waiting to happen.
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2020, 08:34:25 AM »
All part of Prime Minister Scummings' master plan to bring forward herd immunity. He's read somewhere that women are less at risk than men, and we need to seen to be be doing something before Sturgeonland does it first, so Schazzammm.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2020, 06:57:10 PM »
Sail By,
           hope you good people at Sandhill Lane are keeping well and safe. On the contrary to your post I think its a disaster to start the ladies premier league again. They have stated that they will not test players  as some are amateurs (just keeping costs down IMO) and may not be available for testing due to work commitments. Given what has happened at Sale etc with their testing protocol. How can this move deemed to be safe ??
Given the current almost verticle rise in daily new infections (without doubt due to students going to university/colleges and not adhering to the guidelines) how the hell can we condone the RFU decision to start the ladies league.
Nobody wants Rugby to get going again more than me, but, I think this another disaster waiting to happen.
Regards to all at Selby from all at North Ribb.
I haven't really read up on it....but on the face of it, it seems like madness.
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2020, 09:34:54 AM »
Well at least one decision has been made. No revised Adult Male Competition restructure until season 22-23. See Steve Granger on Community Update.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2020, 10:38:47 AM »
They could get their 12 team leagues by default when clubs start going to the wall....
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Re: Is rugby buggered? Will the game look very differnt on the other side?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2020, 03:15:19 PM »
Meanwhile in France the amateur season begins this Saturday. One of our lads has gone over to be an English teacher and has been training for a number of weeks. The attitude over there is get on with it.

As for the women's game they've found someone daft enough to sponsor it so they need to get it on.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2020, 03:18:45 PM by Rob13 »