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Reply #15 on: January 20, 2023, 04:33:40 PM
And for anyone who wants a more scientific explanation on this issue. Here you go.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/4/220
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Reply #16 on: January 20, 2023, 05:16:16 PM

Also to my knowledge no consultation had taken place with clubs, coaches and players? But to restructure the leagues everyone was allowed a vote.
Which they ignored the result of and implemented the changes they wanted anyway.

One of the most embarrassing meetings I’ve ever attended at Old Brods when we were asked our opinions.Constant eye rolling at anyone who had a question or suggestion.


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Reply #17 on: January 20, 2023, 06:24:59 PM

Also to my knowledge no consultation had taken place with clubs, coaches and players? But to restructure the leagues everyone was allowed a vote.
Which they ignored the result of and implemented the changes they wanted anyway.

One of the most embarrassing meetings I’ve ever attended at Old Brods when we were asked our opinions.Constant eye rolling at anyone who had a question or suggestion.
The ones at Bramhope were the same. Some Twickenham based blazer thought it a good idea that Pocklington(?) could play in the North West Leagues and M&N could remain in the East because it made more sense geographically. When laughed at he admitted he didn't know where either club actually was geographically.
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Reply #18 on: January 20, 2023, 07:43:03 PM
And for anyone who wants a more scientific explanation on this issue. Here you go.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/4/220

So research found “Tacklers in the lowered tackle height setting suffered more concussions than did tacklers in the standard tackle height setting.” This research was by the same bloke that the RFU rolled out to do a video explaining the evidence found to back up the decisions


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Reply #19 on: January 20, 2023, 08:32:57 PM
Just imagine not being able to tackle a persons torso.  lol


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Reply #20 on: January 21, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
Another question.
If this was a unanimous decision by the RFU Council, what of Ted Atkinson and Joe Bedford got to say about it.?
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Reply #21 on: January 21, 2023, 03:01:40 PM
Another question.
If this was a unanimous decision by the RFU Council, what of Ted Atkinson and Joe Bedford got to say about it.?

Backed by science seems to be the party line


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Reply #22 on: January 21, 2023, 10:28:14 PM
What a pile of prop womble - i suspect far too many whiskies were consummed when the powers that be came up with this one.

Maybe as the ball carrier you will have to agree before the game to only ever run perfectly upright, carry the ball below waist level at all times, and promise to fall backwards if you are tackled near the try line.

I honestly cant believe the RFU has consulted a single club coach or DOR about this rule change.

Just waiting for the uncontested scrumes rule change below championship games to come in next.

It will be scrums next but I suspect where there are new players to the front row or there is a serious mismatch that scrums won't be allowed to be pushed more than 1.5m metres rather than uncontested.

There is a serious lack of front row players and there needs to be an acknowledgement that clubs do struggle and we need to try and put a competitive game on rather than punishing everyone with a pointless fixture where one side turns up knowing they are beaten.

I think more people need to realise how serious the situation is and the most important thing is to try and get competitive games on rather than kick people when they are down or relish other sides losing points or 40 lads not getting a game because one side has no front row.


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Reply #23 on: January 24, 2023, 08:23:23 PM
Seems there is trouble brewing at the RFU regarding this daft tackle law change.
Interesting article in the Telegraph.
So what are Ted Atkinson and Joe Bedford got to say for themselves?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2023/01/24/rfu-consult-community-clubs-tackle-height-law-ferocious-backlash/
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Reply #24 on: January 25, 2023, 11:43:18 AM
Reading Yorkshire's statement you can see which side they are coming down on...


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Reply #25 on: January 25, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
Can only assume that Atkinson and Bedford suffered several head clashes many decades ago that has clouded their judgment and as representatives of Yorkshire should hang their heads in shame. Not one club consulted to my knowledge  so how the hell can they represent us. TOTAL DISGRACE.
They should be voted off in an egg called by all YRFU clubs.


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Reply #26 on: January 25, 2023, 12:36:02 PM
Sorry EGM. Don't know Owston the correct procedure but surely if enough Yorkshire clubs got together  we could call a meeting  and express our disgust at this decision being railroaded through against, I believe, everybody's wishes.
Stell a.   You seem well versed on such things. What is your opinion??


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Reply #27 on: January 25, 2023, 03:16:56 PM
Sorry EGM. Don't know Owston the correct procedure but surely if enough Yorkshire clubs got together  we could call a meeting  and express our disgust at this decision being railroaded through against, I believe, everybody's wishes.
Stell a.   You seem well versed on such things. What is your opinion??
Staffordshire RFU have ordered their Council Member to recind his vote and re vote against the changes. Appears Sussex RFU have now gone down the same route. Sussex also have HHJ Jeff Blackett supporting them, and he knows a thing or two regarding offences/discipline etc.
Based on comments from a couple of our cross coders, the only winners out this mess are the Rugby League clubs.
With the mockery of the tackle laws that is Saracens (see Sundays game)., the RFU have royally f**ked up - again.
Here's the Facebook link to the CCU
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=community+clubs+union
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Reply #28 on: January 25, 2023, 03:19:35 PM
For those that don't have access to it, here's yesterdays article from the Telegraph.

RFU to consult community clubs over tackle height law after ferocious backlash


The plan had been to change the legal tackle-height to the waist down for all rugby union below elite level from July 1
By Charlie Morgan, Senior Rugby Writer 24 January 2023 • 7:28pm

The ferocious backlash from community clubs around the country could yet force changes to the Rugby Football Union’s plan to adopt a waist-level tackle height from next season.

According to correspondence sent by a senior member of the RFU council, which has been seen by Telegraph Sport, the law changes will not be finalised before clubs have been formally consulted.

Although there had been a desire for the RFU’s governance committee to devise the exact wording of the new laws as soon as possible, this process will not happen before a further meeting of the council in order for clubs to air their concerns to their representatives.

“Whilst many will appreciate the principle to protect head injuries by reducing head impacts, we have to find a workable law,” read an email to clubs.

Also cited in the email was a need to hold “a full and frank debate” this week to review both “how the decision would impact on the community game, volunteers and participants” as well as “the communications strategy that supported the decision and the reaction of… the wider public to that decision”.

Staffordshire clubs have led the backlash against the law change and, following a committee meeting on Monday evening, the county became the first board to mandate that their councillor, Michael Proctor, rescind his vote to push through the trial.

It has also emerged that only 14 of 62 RFU council members voted for an amendment to delay last Monday’s vote until the next council meeting on February 13 in order to share the rationale more widely and consult with clubs. This led to the announcement that has sparked outrage and seen the online petition to rescind the decision on Change.org, initiated by Ed Bartlett, surpass 70,000 votes.

On Monday, the Community Clubs Union (CCU), a newly formed independent voice for rugby clubs in the community game, accrued 165 letters of support. The group intends to force a special general meeting and deliver a vote of no confidence in Bill Sweeney, the RFU chief executive, and the governing body’s ability to run the sport.

CCU is not attempting to contest medical evidence for the law change, but has been disgusted by “a lack of transparency and communication” over its implementation, which is currently due to be rolled out on July 1 of this year. “This is the straw that has broken the camel’s back,” said a source.
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Reply #29 on: January 26, 2023, 08:30:36 AM
Hopefully we get at least 4 yorkshire clubs to follow the CCU guidance and either get our 2 yorkshire reps to vote to recind this law change, or we get them removed and replaced with 2 new reps who will do so.

(In my oppinion it should be mandortory in the future that any law change that differentiates between different levels of the game, in essence creating 2 different sports, would need a majority vote from the actuall clubs)