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on: February 13, 2024, 09:55:32 AM
Scarborough lost their appeal with the RFU to claim a losing bonus point from their match against Malton in December.

Full judgement is available on the RFU Discipline site.
Hopefully the link below will take you to it.

My summary :-

Malton made a substitution to bring on a goalkicker in order to take a penalty (Not allowed in the regulations).
Referee did not notice the substitution and allowed the penalty to be kicked despite the offence being brought to his attention.
Penalty was kicked in the 78th minute, eventually denying Scarborough a losing bonus point.
Scarborough appealed to the League Secretary "to remove the 3 match points" - He said he could take no action
Scarborough appealed his decision to NROC - they said it was "basically, a matter which the referee had managed"
Scarborough appealed this decision to the RFU which was turned down as the Appeal Panel did not consider that the  outcome to take no further action was not one which a reasonable body would have taken.

From the judgement
"37. This was a game management decision which rests in the hands of the referee and was a decision which
had to be taken in the moment of the match, not by a regulatory body some weeks or months after the
event. An unfortunate error has occurred in this instance but that is the nature of rugby and other sports
and the particular error in this case is not one which is so exceptional that an organising committee or
regulatory body should step in to take action. While this Appeal Panel has great sympathy with
Scarborough's position, and concern by the action taken by Malton and Norton RUFC, it did not consider
that NROC came to a decision which no other body would have taken and, as such, this appeal is
dismissed. "



Seems to me Scarborough has been treated very harshly and Malton and Norton do not emerge with much credit.


https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1f/1fdf475f-1683-41f9-84cc-7ddb32994062/ScarboroughRFCCompetitionAppealJudgmentFeb24.pdf


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Reply #1 on: February 13, 2024, 10:44:11 AM
Scarborough lost their appeal with the RFU to claim a losing bonus point from their match against Malton in December.

Full judgement is available on the RFU Discipline site.
Hopefully the link below will take you to it.

My summary :-

Malton made a substitution to bring on a goalkicker in order to take a penalty (Not allowed in the regulations).
Referee did not notice the substitution and allowed the penalty to be kicked despite the offence being brought to his attention.
Penalty was kicked in the 78th minute, eventually denying Scarborough a losing bonus point.
Scarborough appealed to the League Secretary "to remove the 3 match points" - He said he could take no action
Scarborough appealed his decision to NROC - they said it was "basically, a matter which the referee had managed"
Scarborough appealed this decision to the RFU which was turned down as the Appeal Panel did not consider that the  outcome to take no further action was not one which a reasonable body would have taken.

From the judgement
"37. This was a game management decision which rests in the hands of the referee and was a decision which
had to be taken in the moment of the match, not by a regulatory body some weeks or months after the
event. An unfortunate error has occurred in this instance but that is the nature of rugby and other sports
and the particular error in this case is not one which is so exceptional that an organising committee or
regulatory body should step in to take action. While this Appeal Panel has great sympathy with
Scarborough's position, and concern by the action taken by Malton and Norton RUFC, it did not consider
that NROC came to a decision which no other body would have taken and, as such, this appeal is
dismissed. "



Seems to me Scarborough has been treated very harshly and Malton and Norton do not emerge with much credit.


https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1f/1fdf475f-1683-41f9-84cc-7ddb32994062/ScarboroughRFCCompetitionAppealJudgmentFeb24.pdf

So the offence was brought to the refs attention before the kick and he still allowed it? Best hope Scarborough don't get relegated by a point.


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Reply #2 on: February 13, 2024, 01:11:04 PM
Paragraphs 18 and 26 make interesting reading.

It should be noted that Scarborough repeatedly (in writing and during oral submission) made it clear our objective was NOT to seek a sanction against Malton. It was purely an attempt to reclaim a league point.
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Reply #3 on: February 13, 2024, 01:52:05 PM
I think Scarborough should stay up regardless looking at their form and run in but very interesting should that point prove vital in April.


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Reply #4 on: February 13, 2024, 02:22:40 PM
Just one of those things...it was worth a shot.
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Reply #5 on: February 13, 2024, 03:16:07 PM
I totally sympathise with Scarborough. It seems that the powers that be have zero empathy against "Gamesmanship" despite their "TREADS" Logo. Real shame that the people who run our game are so far removed from reality.
Having said that, how do you think Scotland feel after clear video evidence that the ball was grounded and therefore a try should have been awarded. Maybe Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles were judging.


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Reply #6 on: February 13, 2024, 03:36:41 PM
If memory serves me correctly, NROC don't exactly have a great track record when dealing with cases.
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Reply #7 on: February 13, 2024, 07:08:04 PM
Ohh, does give bridlington the right to appeal Scarborough's winning try on Saturday?? A mistake the ref openly admitted to and apologized for after awarding the try! (Video evidence has been provided by Scarborough rufc).
For those unable to see the noted evidence, Scarborough were awarded a 5mtr scrum, in this scrum Scarborough had the ascendance (it was a messy scrum, but a scrum all the same) whilst messy scrum was still in action Scarborough's blindside flanker found himself falling off the scrum and onto the wing in loads of space. Scarborough's scrum half being a clever man noticed this and popped him the ball from the bass of said scrum and the flanker (should have still been attached to the scrum) dove over to score!
All being said, mistakes get made and it's just one of those things! Grrrrrrr! (Note grrrrr is in jest not anger)
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Reply #8 on: February 13, 2024, 07:30:08 PM
It seems that the result of any match will always stand once the final whistle has been blown.

It is what it is.

BTW, you are correct about that incident on Saturday but it probably should have been a penalty try anyway. Anyhow history now, it was a great game with lots of excitement - played in excellent spirit.
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