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Reply #30 on: February 26, 2024, 01:26:56 AM
We certainly need continued localisation of the leagues. The only way to do that is to end promotion and relegation in it's current form.

However even if that were to happen there isn't a perfect solution. Coastal clubs will always need to travel further.

What about local leagues that are set for three years and then reviewed?

Still far from ideal but could offer some stability. Mind you, with no relegation, will clubs near the bottom be motivated to travel to away matches after Christmas?
I am sure they would.
Taking Scarborough as an example.

Scars, Brid, Pock, Driff, Malton, York, Selby, Hullensians, Beverly, Wetherby, Ponte, Ripon plus others who might want to throw their hats in the ring
Home and away 1st through to 3rds or 4ths Vets, Colts, ladies?
No promotion or relegation.
Just amateur rugby. No massive travelling.
Reinstate Yorks Cup, Shield, Trophy maybe Vase ?
It’s got to be better watching clubs team numbers melting away.
The Yorkshire Cup comps are still going.
Unfortunately clubs have shown they don't place much value in them.
17 walkovers to date and probably more to come in the Trophy and Vase.
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Reply #31 on: February 26, 2024, 11:48:39 AM
Just catching up on all comments re Glossop.
As a coach of glossop this was not an easy decision, as my heart and ego would never want me to pull a game.
My apologies to Brid, and I hope points difference does not become a factor.
Ultimately my head had to make the decision to pull the game on Friday morning. We Ultimately had a travelling squad of 15. 3 of which had never played a senior men's game of rugby at 18 and 1 was front row replacement who shouldn't be playing but will do what he can for the lads.
As this was originally a free weekend we had a number of lads away for various weekends so we found ourselves very short.
We had yound players being brave for the club, but Ultimately I felt they are not ready for this level, and could be potentially at risk of injury, which I couldn't do to them.
All our players are local lads who live within 10 miles of the club. We don't have the resources to recruit from overseas, and rely on young home grown lads to keep us pushing forwards. Unfortunately this weekend I was not prepared to put them at risk when they are not ready for the physicality of this level.
We don't have a second team and our 3rd team had to concede their game on Saturday due to the 1s not travelling. This was tough on our 3s as they are in with a shout of promotion, but Ultimately none of them could/ would travel.
Again apologies to brid, but we will be fulfilling all our remaining fixtures, and who knows, could have a big say in who wins the league and also who goes down. We believe we have 1 more win in us.


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Reply #32 on: February 26, 2024, 01:53:11 PM
Just catching up on all comments re Glossop.
As a coach of glossop this was not an easy decision, as my heart and ego would never want me to pull a game.
My apologies to Brid, and I hope points difference does not become a factor.
Ultimately my head had to make the decision to pull the game on Friday morning. We Ultimately had a travelling squad of 15. 3 of which had never played a senior men's game of rugby at 18 and 1 was front row replacement who shouldn't be playing but will do what he can for the lads.
As this was originally a free weekend we had a number of lads away for various weekends so we found ourselves very short.
We had yound players being brave for the club, but Ultimately I felt they are not ready for this level, and could be potentially at risk of injury, which I couldn't do to them.
All our players are local lads who live within 10 miles of the club. We don't have the resources to recruit from overseas, and rely on young home grown lads to keep us pushing forwards. Unfortunately this weekend I was not prepared to put them at risk when they are not ready for the physicality of this level.
We don't have a second team and our 3rd team had to concede their game on Saturday due to the 1s not travelling. This was tough on our 3s as they are in with a shout of promotion, but Ultimately none of them could/ would travel.
Again apologies to brid, but we will be fulfilling all our remaining fixtures, and who knows, could have a big say in who wins the league and also who goes down. We believe we have 1 more win in us.

Nicely addressed.
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Reply #33 on: February 26, 2024, 02:01:13 PM
Always good to hear the other side of the story. A reasonable decision was made given the circumstances. Brid might see it differently but I find it completely understandable to not put young lads at risk.


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Reply #34 on: February 26, 2024, 02:51:55 PM
Just catching up on all comments re Glossop.
As a coach of glossop this was not an easy decision, as my heart and ego would never want me to pull a game.
My apologies to Brid, and I hope points difference does not become a factor.
Ultimately my head had to make the decision to pull the game on Friday morning. We Ultimately had a travelling squad of 15. 3 of which had never played a senior men's game of rugby at 18 and 1 was front row replacement who shouldn't be playing but will do what he can for the lads.
As this was originally a free weekend we had a number of lads away for various weekends so we found ourselves very short.
We had yound players being brave for the club, but Ultimately I felt they are not ready for this level, and could be potentially at risk of injury, which I couldn't do to them.
All our players are local lads who live within 10 miles of the club. We don't have the resources to recruit from overseas, and rely on young home grown lads to keep us pushing forwards. Unfortunately this weekend I was not prepared to put them at risk when they are not ready for the physicality of this level.
We don't have a second team and our 3rd team had to concede their game on Saturday due to the 1s not travelling. This was tough on our 3s as they are in with a shout of promotion, but Ultimately none of them could/ would travel.
Again apologies to brid, but we will be fulfilling all our remaining fixtures, and who knows, could have a big say in who wins the league and also who goes down. We believe we have 1 more win in us.

A coach doing the right thing by his players. And taking the opportunity to get the truth across.

I’m sure many people will have opinions of giving youth a chance etc. But only the coach will know if his players are truly ready, and long term what negative impact it can have putting them in a game such as Brid away too young.

Too many coaches would happily push young players before they are ready.


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Reply #35 on: February 26, 2024, 04:35:33 PM
Not sure on the rules on this but would make sense in this situation for the game to be conceeded but played as a friendly. Obviously with 5 points to the full strengh team but with no points deduction to the side that is short. Game could then be played under the game on principles rules, would go a long way to ensureing player safety whilst also ensuring the lads still get a run out.

Obviously it would not address the points diffeence issue but that only comes into play in the unlikely even that teams are tied on points and number of wins for either a promotion or relegation spot.


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Reply #36 on: February 26, 2024, 06:03:56 PM
Not sure on the rules on this but would make sense in this situation for the game to be conceeded but played as a friendly. Obviously with 5 points to the full strengh team but with no points deduction to the side that is short. Game could then be played under the game on principles rules, would go a long way to ensureing player safety whilst also ensuring the lads still get a run out.

Obviously it would not address the points diffeence issue but that only comes into play in the unlikely even that teams are tied on points and number of wins for either a promotion or relegation spot.
All covered under the Regs OSP.
Remember, we went through all this when Beverley chose not to play. They wouldn't be sweating now regarding their current position if they'd chosen one of the options available.
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Reply #37 on: February 26, 2024, 07:00:03 PM
We certainly need continued localisation of the leagues. The only way to do that is to end promotion and relegation in it's current form.

However even if that were to happen there isn't a perfect solution. Coastal clubs will always need to travel further.

What about local leagues that are set for three years and then reviewed?

Still far from ideal but could offer some stability. Mind you, with no relegation, will clubs near the bottom be motivated to travel to away matches after Christmas?
I am sure they would.
Taking Scarborough as an example.

Scars, Brid, Pock, Driff, Malton, York, Selby, Hullensians, Beverly, Wetherby, Ponte, Ripon plus others who might want to throw their hats in the ring
Home and away 1st through to 3rds or 4ths Vets, Colts, ladies?
No promotion or relegation.
Just amateur rugby. No massive travelling.
Reinstate Yorks Cup, Shield, Trophy maybe Vase ?
It’s got to be better watching clubs team numbers melting away.
The Yorkshire Cup comps are still going.
Unfortunately clubs have shown they don't place much value in them.
17 walkovers to date and probably more to come in the Trophy and Vase.
AVS sort of my point, no one values them because of the leagues. Now get rid of the leagues and I am sure they would regain relevance.
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Reply #38 on: February 26, 2024, 07:04:27 PM
Just catching up on all comments re Glossop.
As a coach of glossop this was not an easy decision, as my heart and ego would never want me to pull a game.
My apologies to Brid, and I hope points difference does not become a factor.
Ultimately my head had to make the decision to pull the game on Friday morning. We Ultimately had a travelling squad of 15. 3 of which had never played a senior men's game of rugby at 18 and 1 was front row replacement who shouldn't be playing but will do what he can for the lads.
As this was originally a free weekend we had a number of lads away for various weekends so we found ourselves very short.
We had yound players being brave for the club, but Ultimately I felt they are not ready for this level, and could be potentially at risk of injury, which I couldn't do to them.
All our players are local lads who live within 10 miles of the club. We don't have the resources to recruit from overseas, and rely on young home grown lads to keep us pushing forwards. Unfortunately this weekend I was not prepared to put them at risk when they are not ready for the physicality of this level.
We don't have a second team and our 3rd team had to concede their game on Saturday due to the 1s not travelling. This was tough on our 3s as they are in with a shout of promotion, but Ultimately none of them could/ would travel.
Again apologies to brid, but we will be fulfilling all our remaining fixtures, and who knows, could have a big say in who wins the league and also who goes down. We believe we have 1 more win in us.

Nicely addressed.
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Reply #39 on: February 26, 2024, 08:10:28 PM
We certainly need continued localisation of the leagues. The only way to do that is to end promotion and relegation in it's current form.

However even if that were to happen there isn't a perfect solution. Coastal clubs will always need to travel further.

What about local leagues that are set for three years and then reviewed?

Still far from ideal but could offer some stability. Mind you, with no relegation, will clubs near the bottom be motivated to travel to away matches after Christmas?
I am sure they would.
Taking Scarborough as an example.

Scars, Brid, Pock, Driff, Malton, York, Selby, Hullensians, Beverly, Wetherby, Ponte, Ripon plus others who might want to throw their hats in the ring
Home and away 1st through to 3rds or 4ths Vets, Colts, ladies?
No promotion or relegation.
Just amateur rugby. No massive travelling.
Reinstate Yorks Cup, Shield, Trophy maybe Vase ?
It’s got to be better watching clubs team numbers melting away.
The Yorkshire Cup comps are still going.
Unfortunately clubs have shown they don't place much value in them.
17 walkovers to date and probably more to come in the Trophy and Vase.
AVS sort of my point, no one values them because of the leagues. Now get rid of the leagues and I am sure they would regain relevance.
And we haven't mentioned the p**s pot pizza cup farce yet.
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Reply #40 on: February 26, 2024, 09:04:19 PM
Just catching up on all comments re Glossop.
As a coach of glossop this was not an easy decision, as my heart and ego would never want me to pull a game.
My apologies to Brid, and I hope points difference does not become a factor.
Ultimately my head had to make the decision to pull the game on Friday morning. We Ultimately had a travelling squad of 15. 3 of which had never played a senior men's game of rugby at 18 and 1 was front row replacement who shouldn't be playing but will do what he can for the lads.
As this was originally a free weekend we had a number of lads away for various weekends so we found ourselves very short.
We had yound players being brave for the club, but Ultimately I felt they are not ready for this level, and could be potentially at risk of injury, which I couldn't do to them.
All our players are local lads who live within 10 miles of the club. We don't have the resources to recruit from overseas, and rely on young home grown lads to keep us pushing forwards. Unfortunately this weekend I was not prepared to put them at risk when they are not ready for the physicality of this level.
We don't have a second team and our 3rd team had to concede their game on Saturday due to the 1s not travelling. This was tough on our 3s as they are in with a shout of promotion, but Ultimately none of them could/ would travel.
Again apologies to brid, but we will be fulfilling all our remaining fixtures, and who knows, could have a big say in who wins the league and also who goes down. We believe we have 1 more win in us.

Very honest and open post...glad you cleared that up. An example of closing down a subject that many politicians could learn from (or are you just a good politician???? The plot thickens 🤦)

It does beg the question....what lengths will clubs go to, to avoid going to Bridlington 🤣🤣🤣
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