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Reply #15 on: April 13, 2024, 04:17:21 PM
600 junior players and can't even get a second team out. Embarrassment of a club


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Reply #16 on: April 13, 2024, 05:27:01 PM
I do wonder what the majority of you are going to talk about next season without Harrogate int he league?


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Reply #17 on: April 13, 2024, 06:11:52 PM
Probably point out Harrogates errors and lack of values from inferior leagues below where "Gate" will surely be back to if they spend their money on making Rudding Park fit to play on instead of giving the golden Dollar to players like Ilkleys Dobson just after Christmas. I know we have had an unprecedented amount of rain locally but surely a recently developed pitch with "Grass" Technology available should be able to survive when others cannot. Apparently that is not the case at £"Gate".
Lets hope global warming heats up quickly or their current dilemma could last for years driving holes in their "Home" game budgets etc, etc.


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Reply #18 on: April 13, 2024, 08:59:10 PM
I do wonder what the majority of you are going to talk about next season without Harrogate int he league?

I’m not sure to be honest, Huddersfield’s and Ionians spending habits might take up some weekly posts early doors.
But with good mini and junior sections, second teams (and even 3rd teams, imagine that), combined with a playable pitch it will be difficult to keep that going for to long.

We might have to revert to the good old fashioned, talking about our sides performances on the pitch.


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Reply #19 on: April 13, 2024, 09:23:35 PM
Probably point out Harrogates errors and lack of values from inferior leagues below where "Gate" will surely be back to if they spend their money on making Rudding Park fit to play on instead of giving the golden Dollar to players like Ilkleys Dobson just after Christmas. I know we have had an unprecedented amount of rain locally but surely a recently developed pitch with "Grass" Technology available should be able to survive when others cannot. Apparently that is not the case at £"Gate".
Lets hope global warming heats up quickly or their current dilemma could last for years driving holes in their "Home" game budgets etc, etc.

This league is inferior to Nat 2, just like Nat 2 is to Nat 1 - it has no relevance on what league Gate would be playing in, even if they were in Yorks 3
One season of unprecedented rain out of nine seasons doesn't mean the pitch will be ruined forever - can only hope it's back up and running for the start of the season and we don't get one as wet as this again.

There was far too much rain last week to play the game even if the pitch was good to go - the game was supposed to be played down in Knaresborough (just down the road) and that was also pulled due to too much rain there....but no doubt it was what Gate pay their players that was the reason the pitch was waterlogged.......


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Reply #20 on: April 13, 2024, 09:38:56 PM
I do wonder what the majority of you are going to talk about next season without Harrogate int he league?

I’m not sure to be honest, Huddersfield’s and Ionians spending habits might take up some weekly posts early doors.
But with good mini and junior sections, second teams (and even 3rd teams, imagine that), combined with a playable pitch it will be difficult to keep that going for to long.

We might have to revert to the good old fashioned, talking about our sides performances on the pitch.

I would say I's run other senior teams rather than a second team - don't think they even train together, but do have three senior sides out
Don't really know what's happened to Gates twos over the last five years, as it was always a very strong set of lads.

I think one thing is that good 2's players when you're in nat 2/3 can go play first team rugby a league or two lower and a good standard.
We also lose 90-95% of colts to uni and then the majority of them don't come back to live in hgate. We have also lost a lot of first team players to other clubs over the years.

Just at Leeds they have the following players that have played for Gate - Brady, Irvine, Dennis, Yorke, Dixon, Keith, Rubicheck & Jukes.
Ioinans signed Minikin, Irivne, Dennis, Peace, Thompson and Yates
Otley last year signed Baxter, J Coser, Wickham & Jackson
DMP signed Harrison & Yates (who has now signed for Ealing)
We've even lost players to non paying Ilkley over the years - N Smith, Spencer, Rowntree x2 and Cummings (this season)
Some lads went to the Pythons - Audsley Beck, Parish, Cutino plus a load of lads that were ex juniors or played a decent amount of 2's

Players move around and move clubs all the time - The difference is that you don't hear us coming on forums and crying about it -  wish them well and get on with it.


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Reply #21 on: April 13, 2024, 09:40:33 PM
Lastly - we may see you again soon as Nat 2 is a very hard league to stay in and with our recent record, we're probably one of the favourites for relegation
Nothing like proving the doubters wrong though


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Reply #22 on: April 14, 2024, 12:14:11 AM
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       I take on board your comments but, surely you must admit that despite the condition of your pitch the club is going backwards, I remember fondly going to Claro Road as a colt in the late 90s and you had at least 4 strong teams when the game was amateur.
Now you have only one team and a new pitch that appears pants. And your players will have no loyalty to the club if you decide you could no longer pay them. they will desert you and leave you in a very poor position .
There is no gloating here, I just hope that wherever your funds come from they dont dry up and cause the demise of another historical Yorkshire club.
I know you will not like this comment, and it is not meant with any malice. But, it appears that if money was not involved the developing Pythons might meet you in the league structure. I know you will say that will never happn, but who would have ever thought that Bradford and Bingley would be below North Ribb and a club formed from your old Third xv in the league structure. I certainly would never have believed it.


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Reply #23 on: April 14, 2024, 12:54:22 AM
Flaggy going backwards compared to 20+ years ago? A lot of you live in this rugby world that simply doesn't exist anymore.
The days of stacks of clubs getting 4 sides out every Saturday are gone - not for the better, but they're long gone.

It would be great for all these clubs to do that, but there simply isn't enough players around any more - The landscape and priorities of life far exceed the importance of rugby to the large majority of players. Not just at Harrogate, but at the majority of clubs (there will always be exceptions).

Never, say never - as maybe one day there is the possibility of the two Harrogate sides meeting in the league. Who knows, but I'm personally not worried about that.

One thing I do wonder is who you think at Harrogate is getting paid the mega bucks?
Plus apart from the Ilkley lads we've signed for big ££££ this season?

1 - Percival - signed out of uni, close to 100 caps
2 - Maycock - played 99% senior rugby over 10+ at gate  - 250 ish caps
3 - Peace - started senior rugby at Gate, played for I's & Leeds. Bit of time out of rugby and came back to Harrogate
4 - Dodds - signed out of uni - 100+ caps
5 - Brady - 90%+ senior rugby at gate, 10+ years a player and 200+ caps
6 - Leatham - From Juniors
7 - G Coser - All senior rugby at Gate - 125+ caps
8 - Hill - 50ish caps - been 2/3 choice at a couple of clubs - first run of games at Gate as a starter
9 - Oley - signed from Uni
10 - Steene - Signed from Uni
11 - Miller - from juniors
12 - Kasia - signed this season - think he was going somewhere else, but fell through, so ended at gate
13 - Dobson - signed from Ilkley - former pupil of D Scabs at Bradford Grammer
14 - katalua - in the army - base near Gate
15 - Brook - signed from Ilkley

Others include
Garett - from juniors
Wickham - 150+ caps
Pritchard - first year of senior rugby
Butler - signed back at Gate after being at a couple of Yorkshire clubs
Horberry - From juniors
Haydock - from Juniors
Magee - Leeds Loan
Toomey - from uni
Edgar - Uni I think
mcnab - Wharfedale/Otley - couldn't get a start at either so came a few years back
Phibbs - moved to Morely
O Mcnab - on loan at Morely


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Reply #24 on: April 14, 2024, 07:34:39 AM
Flaggy going backwards compared to 20+ years ago? A lot of you live in this rugby world that simply doesn't exist anymore.
The days of stacks of clubs getting 4 sides out every Saturday are gone - not for the better, but they're long gone.

It would be great for all these clubs to do that, but there simply isn't enough players around any more - The landscape and priorities of life far exceed the importance of rugby to the large majority of players. Not just at Harrogate, but at the majority of clubs (there will always be exceptions).

Never, say never - as maybe one day there is the possibility of the two Harrogate sides meeting in the league. Who knows, but I'm personally not worried about that.

One thing I do wonder is who you think at Harrogate is getting paid the mega bucks?
Plus apart from the Ilkley lads we've signed for big ££££ this season?

1 - Percival - signed out of uni, close to 100 caps
2 - Maycock - played 99% senior rugby over 10+ at gate  - 250 ish caps
3 - Peace - started senior rugby at Gate, played for I's & Leeds. Bit of time out of rugby and came back to Harrogate
4 - Dodds - signed out of uni - 100+ caps
5 - Brady - 90%+ senior rugby at gate, 10+ years a player and 200+ caps
6 - Leatham - From Juniors
7 - G Coser - All senior rugby at Gate - 125+ caps
8 - Hill - 50ish caps - been 2/3 choice at a couple of clubs - first run of games at Gate as a starter
9 - Oley - signed from Uni
10 - Steene - Signed from Uni
11 - Miller - from juniors
12 - Kasia - signed this season - think he was going somewhere else, but fell through, so ended at gate
13 - Dobson - signed from Ilkley - former pupil of D Scabs at Bradford Grammer
14 - katalua - in the army - base near Gate
15 - Brook - signed from Ilkley

Others include
Garett - from juniors
Wickham - 150+ caps
Pritchard - first year of senior rugby
Butler - signed back at Gate after being at a couple of Yorkshire clubs
Horberry - From juniors
Haydock - from Juniors
Magee - Leeds Loan
Toomey - from uni
Edgar - Uni I think
mcnab - Wharfedale/Otley - couldn't get a start at either so came a few years back
Phibbs - moved to Morely
O Mcnab - on loan at Morely

You don't fancy posting their match day fees then?


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Reply #25 on: April 14, 2024, 07:54:54 AM


You don't fancy posting their match day fees then?

You’re the one that knows  the in and outs of any payment in the league, so you tell me


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Reply #26 on: April 14, 2024, 08:14:22 AM


You don't fancy posting their match day fees then?

You’re the one that knows  the in and outs of any payment in the league, so you tell me


2 players on your list live less then a 20 minute drive from Driffield and work in the area, but instead drive nearly an hour to Harrogate. Do you not think these players have been approached to play at Kelleythorpe?
People talk, Yorkshire rugby isn’t a big place.
The issue isn’t teams paying money, its being unsustainable that’s the issue, along with people’s denial that it happens!



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Reply #27 on: April 14, 2024, 09:20:21 AM
A good win from York today in the PJ Cup away at Blackburn, A solid performance from York in very poor conditions wind and rain at times soaked everyone to the bone. Some very solid individual performances from some younger players in the team making debut or taking chances when availability issues have forced some changes. a much changed team from last weeks League end fixture but the strength has shown with players understanding the game York play due to large training numbers every week during the season. 22-43 in the poor conditions was an excellent outcome. looking forward to playing Driffield at Kellythorpe in 2 weeks time. #YorkshireRugbyRocks


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Reply #28 on: April 14, 2024, 09:51:52 AM


You don't fancy posting their match day fees then?

You’re the one that knows  the in and outs of any payment in the league, so you tell me


Well I don’t think it’s a secret that the front row are on £350 a game, I’d be asking for a refund if I were you.

Dobson went from Ilkley for north of £200 a game. Similar story with other centres..

Need I continue?

I will echo DufferLids comments, the problem is denying it, when everyone knows the truth.


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Reply #29 on: April 14, 2024, 09:57:09 AM
Duffbeer Lad will be happy the focus isn't currently on the Duffield wage bill