Crouch-Touch-!!!!!!

[neverplayedstandoff]

Anyone heard of any amendments to the scrum nightmare? Am getting messages via the grapevine of a change to the pause bit.

[Fredsbar]

Yes it`s Crouch, Touch, Set.

 The pause has been taken away so in theory there should be fewer free kicks at scrum time.

[Time off]

Guidelines are:

C - T - Set...

Pause between T & S to be varied and down to the inidividual referee based ont he game in front of them to determine what is required.

the reason is they wanteda one syllabel word rather than engage! which is two...

Makes no difference really - Between T & S - we still have to check postioning of scrums, head levels, driving positions etc.... before saying Set

[Radio Gnome]

Makes no difference really - Between T & S - we still have to check postioning of scrums, head levels, driving positions etc.... before saying Set

Agreed. Makes bugger all difference. We might as well say ready steady....go!

Don't forget "set is not a command but an indication that the front rows may come together when ready" arf arf arf.

[Batman]

Lets just have rugby league type scrums a lot easier.

[havearestfor10]

Lets just have rugby league type scrums a lot easier.

If fat lazy props don't stop fu-(ing around, they will ruin there own game and it will go to that.

[pinkshirtedwhistler]

Can see problems with the idea of SET not being an order to engage. One team going before the other but after SET will be legal, but a nightmare, and potentially dangerous.

Soft engagement, do away with the "hit", and let the old skills of props and hookers come back into the game instead of oversized unbalanced (in a physical way) gym monkeys making a farce of scrums.

[Radio Gnome]

Can see problems with the idea of SET not being an order to engage. One team going before the other but after SET will be legal, but a nightmare, and potentially dangerous.

In that respect it's no different to CTPE as engage is "not a command...........blah blah"

[TMO]

Went to the panel meeting on thursday. CTS very easy to do and should cause less free kicks and less restarts. There are other law changes that will cause more controversy eg 90secs for a conversion

[havearestfor10]

Went to the panel meeting on thursday. CTS very easy to do and should cause less free kicks and less restarts.

Hmm we will see, don't see how cts will help binding!!!

[marky mark]

Only the calls have changed, don't be fooled into thinking the scrum will be easier to ref or safer, do your work on te scrum, currently very very poorly reffed and understood, nothing in the scrum happens by chance, even more so the higher up the leagues you go, ifypuwamtto improve as a ref work on your scrum and tackle, no guess work please, front rows work extremely hard at their skill so to understand them it is a must to visit coaching sessions at clubs with these players, you ne'er know you just may also gain some respect, good luck this year pinky I will be watching out for you

[pinkshirtedwhistler]

Paddy O Brien failed to get Elite scrums operating acceptably, whilst accepting that lower down the levels the problems were nowhere near as prevalent. Ultimately his failure to come up with something that made forwards scrummage probably led to his mid term career readjustment. 
At club levels the desire to scrum is there, it is often other factors that turn the scrum into a mess, and if a side want to ruin a particular set piece they will do, the referee can only react to it.
Negative coaching of the scrum  has led to too many players thinking they are clever enough to take advantage of a referee. I am sure you coached your boys to bind correctly and push correctly, but I am also equally certain you placed contingency plans in for when your scrum was under the cosh.
The Elite game has many issues to address, and I believe trying to get the referee to solve the problems is not the way to do it. Players and coaches are responsible, and too many teams do not want to be pushed back or out scrummed and revert to cheating.
This call change could have a negative impact if teams choose to use the set call as an opportunity to charge in or hold back from engagement. The "hit" should go and an emphasis should be put on ensuring binding is correct, and not used to destabilise the scrum. The "hit" reduces the referees chance of doing this as the scrum is a "live" animal after such an engagement and too many things can be missed or misinterpreted.

[havearestfor10]

Negative coaching of the scrum  has led to too many players thinking they are clever enough to take advantage of a referee.
 Players and coaches are responsible, and too many teams do not want to be pushed back or out scrummed and revert to cheating.

Never true word spoken, fwiw its one of the only areas of the game I will go straight to my pocket, if someone collapses a scrum he will be going to the bin.  Yes the management assessors will hate it, yes someone will call it a rabbit out of a hat, but it's deliberate and dangerous.

[Burnsy]

fwiw its one of the only areas of the game I will go straight to my pocket, if someone collapses a scrum he will be going to the bin. 

Am I right in saying that props can collapse a scrum and make it look it wasn't their fault or even a scrum collapse by accident and it looks like a props fault? Yet you'd go straight to your pocket for that offence? A bit hasty? I get the sentiment you're aiming for with the danger, but not the speed at which you'd sin bin someone.

[TMO]

fwiw its one of the only areas of the game I will go straight to my pocket, if someone collapses a scrum he will be going to the bin. 

Am I right in saying that props can collapse a scrum and make it look it wasn't their fault or even a scrum collapse by accident and it looks like a props fault? Yet you'd go straight to your pocket for that offence? A bit hasty? I get the sentiment you're aiming for with the danger, but not the speed at which you'd sin bin someone.

WL obviously you never had him ref you. He gives out more cards out than Clintons. He will put you in the bin for sneezing. He might have you this year. He likes pies and chocolate pre game and he will destroy your Buffett after.