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League Rugby => Yorkshire 1 => Topic started by: Chief Selector on March 16, 2020, 09:00:47 AM

Title: Is that the end?
Post by: Chief Selector on March 16, 2020, 09:00:47 AM
I have a feeling that last weekends matches were our last this season
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Speccy on March 16, 2020, 09:06:51 AM
Totally agree,there are some things more important than sport,or playing remaining games of rugby,football etc. You cant ask people to stay away from each other,then insist they play remaining games. I expect an announcement from the RFU later today.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Lads Dad on March 16, 2020, 07:55:07 PM
It's all off rfu website
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Whoopey on March 16, 2020, 08:01:13 PM
Done and dusted unfortunately.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Premier3 on March 19, 2020, 07:41:56 AM
As in isolation - Any more thoughts on what people think about finishing the season ? Is it the end ?
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: west vale lad on March 19, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
I believe that there will be no more rugby this season and they will keep teams in the same league as they started season 19/20 for 20/21 - - unless they mess about with the leagues and reduce them to 12!!!
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Dan Nulty on March 19, 2020, 01:30:44 PM
In isolation as well. I think they will formulate final positions based on previous meetings between clubs. I can't see them voiding the season.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: avinastella on March 19, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
According to League Secretary, no decisions have yet been made.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: avinastella on March 19, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
Dear all

At last evening's conference call we were updated on the work being done by the group.

1) A Review of the options for Men's and Women's Leagues.

2) If the Leagues had to be curtailed at this point, how would we determine Promotion and Relegation?.

3) What possible models we could use to determine Promotion and Relegation? whilst minimising the impact on the integrity of the competition.

We also had to bear in mind, what would happen in what appears to be the unlikely event of the season being allowed to restart .
 
Would it be right after say after  4 week break to ask players to recommence playing ?, what would be the views of the players?, would they want to play?.

The group were also considering sustainability for clubs and player welfare

The group were to focus on two plans


Plan "A" was if we did not restart and the season finished now, how would we determine promotion and relegation. it was stated there was 7 or 8 options being considered to decide this .

Plan "B" was if we were allowed to restart in say 3 weeks , how we would conclude the season. this was considered to be abortive work but was being done in the unlikely event that it happened,

In terms of priorities the Men's and Women's Leagues would come first. it is unlikely that the County Championship would take place.
 

Timescale for working group:
Draft report for CGB by Wednesday
Report to Governance by End of March
Proposals to Council 1st of April

The DOCs were invited to put any suggestions to the group via myself on either of the two plans, please bear in mind the big picture ,not individual club cases. Any suggestions
to myself and I will pass on.

Followed by:

Further to my update today which included:-
Plan "B" was if we were allowed to restart in say 3 weeks , how we would conclude the season. this was considered to be abortive work but was being done in the unlikely event that it happened,

It may help for the task force to know if there are strong feelings either way within the clubs.

Without addressing promotion/relegation issues could you (League Contacts) indicate your preference of these three?

1    End season now. No more rugby this season
2    Continue to explore possibility of resuming
3    Unable to commit at this time

Please do not answer with provisos. If your answer depends on other factors please just answer 3.

The sooner we can indicate our opinions the better.

League contacts - please reply by Friday 21.00
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Premier3 on March 19, 2020, 08:37:42 PM
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Dan Nulty on March 19, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Given the situation in other countries and the vast increase in deaths in Italy there is no way we will be playing rugby in 3 or 4 weeks. Barmy to even think it.

End it now, everyone can concentrate on what they are doing at home and then tell us the outcome for promotion relegation ASAP.

Move on.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Premier3 on March 19, 2020, 09:55:10 PM
Dan- What you think should happen ??
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: T123 on March 19, 2020, 10:21:40 PM
Not sure if you reply to this
Thorne option 1
100%   
More trying times a head for everyone rather than worrying about rugby
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Dan Nulty on March 20, 2020, 06:34:15 AM
Dan- What you think should happen ??

Either the make previous matches between opponents not played twice double headers or they award points for remaining games based on win percentages.

Of course, those that do get relegated that were close to saving themselves will be upset but I just think you can't void the season so close to the end.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Oldandslow on March 20, 2020, 07:47:41 AM
Dan

They could use early season form as happen in the foot and mouth outbreak. But that would adversely effect clubs who have improved their results since Christmas. Thinking of Ponte and Brid who have done better in 2020.

On promotion scrap the playoff games and only promote one from both Yorkshire 1 and Durham 1 and only relegate two from the league above.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Premier3 on March 20, 2020, 10:59:56 AM
Thats it!! The RFU have confirmed that the end to this season has come.

Be interesting to hear about promotion and relegation in the coming days/weeks.

Keep safe
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: tommyontherailway on March 21, 2020, 05:48:44 AM
2019/2020 season is ended being 80% complete, the only fair way to adopt final league positions and implications, is for every remaining fixture to be assigned a 0-0 Draw with 2 points to each team. This would then look like:-
Old Brodleians 100pts Promoted from Y1 to North One east
Consett 115pts Promoted from D/N to North One east
Heath Promoted from Y1 to North One east (Playoff - Heath 96pts Vs Middlesbrough 92pts)

Keighley 48pts and Hullensians 30pts Relegated from Y1

Percy Park 62pts, West Hartlepool 33pts & Huddersfield YMCA -15pts relegated from North One East.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Woody on March 21, 2020, 07:59:29 AM
Regardless of the decision some teams will not be happy. Heath or Brods would have finished top of Yorkshire 1. Consett would have definitely finished top of D&N. Therefore I think it would be good to reward the clubs at the top of the league. Keighley and Percy Park would not be happy about tommyontherailways suggestion, however it does make sense and fair for the majority. I’m assuming other teams in Yorkshire 1 would like to see Heath and Brods move up the league?
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Fredsbar on March 21, 2020, 06:22:42 PM
WRU have agreed that there is no promotion or relegation. Seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Woody on March 21, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
No promotion or relegation is not a good thing. In particular no relegation. Teams are at the bottom of the league for a reason. They are playing rugby below the level that is required. Teams like Hullensians need a season to rebuild in Yorkshire 2. Just like rishworthians have done. Otherwise they will go through another hard season, which won’t attract players to the club. Also Huddersfield YMCA have had a tough time this year, they need a season to regroup and rebuild. Not another season of getting hammered. I’m sure the RFU will take this into consideration when making their decision. Will this be announced in April?
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Dan Nulty on March 21, 2020, 07:13:51 PM
WRU have agreed that there is no promotion or relegation. Seems reasonable to me.

Someone at Rishworthians doesn't want to get promoted then!
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Fredsbar on March 21, 2020, 08:47:16 PM
Dan

I was merely stating a fact and this would solve the play off situation. As far as Old Rishworthians are concerned, the club will go along with whatever is decided. Having lost out to Hessle in 200-01 season owing to the foot and mouth outbreak by 1/100th of a point anything is possible.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: tommyontherailway on March 22, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
Every team in every league has aspirations at the start of the season, knowing what they have to do to achieve their goals. It is important that the successful teams are rewarded for them to continue in their aspirations and for the future of this wonderful game, which is most challenging in a season. Woody is correct, very good points about relegation and as I stated we are over 80% through the season and by using the 0-0 Draw 2 points each method(which if I am correct has been used before) for the remaining fixtures, is the fairest way in these unfortunate difficult times.
For you all STAY SAFE.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Chief Selector on March 30, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
if this decision was down to me and me alone and dont forget my club is Selby and we are going nowhere so i feel its a neutral view, i would do the following:
* 80-85% of the season already gone so unfair to Null and Void
* Start the end of the 2019/20 season in September 20
* first 4 matches to conclude the season 2029/20
* Allow promotion and relegation to happen
* Commence the new 2020/21 season in mid to late October 20
* Run the season until 2nd week in May 21
* Cancel all National and domestic cup competitions
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: neverplayedstandoff on April 02, 2020, 06:31:39 PM
Chiefs probably a good job it is not up to you then.
Small problem with organising fixtures if you don’t know what league you are in till end Sept.
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: Gav Iscon on April 03, 2020, 04:29:02 PM
Final League tables are here.

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1d/1d602337-7f0c-401d-89b3-4ea9b38fecb6/Levels%205%20-%207.pdf
Title: Re: Is that the end?
Post by: tommyontherailway on April 04, 2020, 10:06:46 AM
Well done RFU, a method that endorses league rugby principles.
All the very best to both Heath and Old Brodleians, well deserved.