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League Rugby => North Premier => Topic started by: stubbs on April 03, 2020, 08:58:53 PM

Title: congratulations to york
Post by: stubbs on April 03, 2020, 08:58:53 PM
On the balance of the season York deserved promotion and towards the end when the backs clicked looked unstoppable. However next

season will be a different matter, our present squad will need strengthening, I saw all bar 2 games and we were exposed in various

departments at times, although there were few opposition players who I thought would make a big difference to Yorks' 15.

As has proved this season with jon franks (Northallerton), cade robinson (Scarborough) and john akeman (moved back to area) if you are

good enough you will get a chance. All 3 played 18 or more games.   
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: backrowbandit on April 04, 2020, 07:19:17 AM
Yes good luck to York very worthy winners.

It will be interesting how you get on. You will lose Cade as his 2 year visa is up. Hopefully you'll keep the rest of your players.

Rugby union is going to be a very different game going forward. Very little money circulating in the game now so will be interesting to see what effect that has on some players.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Ian1307 on April 04, 2020, 11:35:53 AM
Thanks very much BRB for your congratulations, we will certainly take them.

However, as with some of your other comments about York, the paragraph on one of our player's visa is misinformed. 

Can I just take this opportunity, on behalf of all at York RUFC, to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy close season and that when this is all over (which it will be) we can get back to playing, watching and supporting our clubs in the same passionate way we have before.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 04, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
Congratulations to all associated with York RUFC. A fantastic achievement built on the players who came through the Youth section. Big challenges ahead!

Lets hope that the powers that be at the club do not lose sight of what has been the foundation of a very good side and we learn our lessons, that a strong well coached youth section do ultimately bare fruits for the senior sides!!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: backrowbandit on April 04, 2020, 02:03:08 PM
Thanks very much BRB for your congratulations, we will certainly take them.

However, as with some of your other comments about York, the paragraph on one of our player's visa is misinformed. 

Can I just take this opportunity, on behalf of all at York RUFC, to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy close season and that when this is all over (which it will be) we can get back to playing, watching and supporting our clubs in the same passionate way we have before.

You forget we have a photocopy of it!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Ian1307 on April 04, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
Thanks for the advice, but we have got this.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Oldandslow on April 04, 2020, 04:17:26 PM
Congratulations to York. Just reflecting how the game and clubs fortunes are changing with York promoted and the once high flying Otley relegated they will be playing at the same level next season.

Just shows you now have to get the fundamentals right and build a sustainable club from the bottom up.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 04, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
The demoted Clubs tend to do well, as they are almost always - no, always - semi-pro. Harrogate can consider themselves lucky to have leapfrogged Sandal and Macclesfield to return to Nat2N.

York will find it tough, as most promoted teams do. Morpeth and Carlisle have gone straight back down and Alnwick escaped going down after their second season by the skin of their teeth.

However, all that is based on this last season. I suspect the new season is going to be very different indeed.

All the best to York and enjoy the trip !
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dropkicker on April 04, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
Promotion twice in 3 years is a fantastic achievement and congratulations to all involved, players, coaches and administration. Staying up will be difficult but is well within our means. Most certainly we will need to strengthen the squad, however the vast majority of the the squad with further development are capable of playing in North Prem. If we stay relatively injury free, strengthen in the right areas and perhaps most importantly the players commit to what this step up in league will demand we will be ok.
Next season we will only have 2 other teams from Yorkshire in our league (Sandal & Otley, yes Otley, who would have thought that 3 years ago with I believe 4 levels between us) and 9 trips across the Pennines. These will involve all day trips with early starts and late returns, how are wives and girlfriends going to accept that. Putting rugby ahead of personal life for 8 months of the year is a big ask. Finding the balance and communicating availability and honouring there commitment will be key. The powers that be I understand are addressing all this, but player buy in to what the club is doing is paramount.
We will also now be playing rugby at one level below Rotherham and Hull Ionians, if you add Otley to this list these are all team that have often approached our key players. Key players that have remained loyal to York and are now enjoying all fruits of their and the clubs hard work and ambitions.
Maybe just maybe some of these teams players may want to be part of what we have built and are looking to achieve. After all we are at the centre of Yorkshire and are arguably the county’s capital.
I was asked today did we want to be promoted, to right we do, the vast majority at the club share my view, those running the team certainly do, 100% the players did. If more members become further involved more closely then let’s see where we can go. As a club in the early 80’s we got to then level 5, we couldn’t sustain those heady heights. Let’s get it right this time.

Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: stubbs on April 05, 2020, 11:04:24 AM
Dropkicker,

Agree entirely with your sentiments, but for injuries we would have been much closer last season. I remember before leagues we used to play, Rotherham, Sandal, Ionians, Scunthorpe and after that money has taken over. Only time I can remember playing at Otley was with
Morley colts though. If we can finish mid table that will be an achievement, although I do think there are still one or two of our ex colts
who might fancy a crack at this level and you never know who might turn up. Looking at next seasons away trips most are close to
motorways and accessible within an hour and a half, only like going to B+B 
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 05, 2020, 11:55:31 AM
Promotion twice in 3 years is a fantastic achievement and congratulations to all involved, players, coaches and administration. Staying up will be difficult but is well within our means. Most certainly we will need to strengthen the squad, however the vast majority of the the squad with further development are capable of playing in North Prem. If we stay relatively injury free, strengthen in the right areas and perhaps most importantly the players commit to what this step up in league will demand we will be ok.
Next season we will only have 2 other teams from Yorkshire in our league (Sandal & Otley, yes Otley, who would have thought that 3 years ago with I believe 4 levels between us) and 9 trips across the Pennines. These will involve all day trips with early starts and late returns, how are wives and girlfriends going to accept that. Putting rugby ahead of personal life for 8 months of the year is a big ask. Finding the balance and communicating availability and honouring there commitment will be key. The powers that be I understand are addressing all this, but player buy in to what the club is doing is paramount.
We will also now be playing rugby at one level below Rotherham and Hull Ionians, if you add Otley to this list these are all team that have often approached our key players. Key players that have remained loyal to York and are now enjoying all fruits of their and the clubs hard work and ambitions.
Maybe just maybe some of these teams players may want to be part of what we have built and are looking to achieve. After all we are at the centre of Yorkshire and are arguably the county’s capital.
I was asked today did we want to be promoted, to right we do, the vast majority at the club share my view, those running the team certainly do, 100% the players did. If more members become further involved more closely then let’s see where we can go. As a club in the early 80’s we got to then level 5, we couldn’t sustain those heady heights. Let’s get it right this time.
DK the time previously that York got to this level many of the players couldn't get their boots on due the the thickness of brown envelopes in them!! and when they could get them on they bxggered off!!
The temptation to bring players in other than your own home grown talent, especially from teams from higher leagues, will be expensive and divisive!!
In the chasing of signings, don't overlook what has got you to where you are! 
Otherwise you might lose the support of the players, who have chosen to return to York rather than chase a pay day shilling!!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Red Horseman on April 05, 2020, 01:01:30 PM
Maybe you could now breathe some life into the one section of the forum that is in desperate need of it!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Bestboy on April 05, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
Thanks very much BRB for your congratulations, we will certainly take them.

However, as with some of your other comments about York, the paragraph on one of our player's visa is misinformed. 

Can I just take this opportunity, on behalf of all at York RUFC, to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy close season and that when this is all over (which it will be) we can get back to playing, watching and supporting our clubs in the same passionate way we have before.

You forget we have a photocopy of it!

Wow! you kept it?? thought you lined that dog basket with it??
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: avinastella on April 05, 2020, 01:42:10 PM
Looking at next seasons away trips most are close to
motorways and accessible within an hour and a half, only like going to B+B
Updates to the Northern Region Google map in hand.

And DDA, no, i really don't have anything better to do this time.  :)
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 05, 2020, 06:11:25 PM
Looking at next seasons away trips most are close to
motorways and accessible within an hour and a half, only like going to B+B
Updates to the Northern Region Google map in hand.

And DDA, no, i really don't have anything better to do this time.  :)
AVS my old pal! Have you started on the wife beater a little earlier than usual? ADA hic! 
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dropkicker on April 05, 2020, 07:54:59 PM
Promotion twice in 3 years is a fantastic achievement and congratulations to all involved, players, coaches and administration. Staying up will be difficult but is well within our means. Most certainly we will need to strengthen the squad, however the vast majority of the the squad with further development are capable of playing in North Prem. If we stay relatively injury free, strengthen in the right areas and perhaps most importantly the players commit to what this step up in league will demand we will be ok.
Next season we will only have 2 other teams from Yorkshire in our league (Sandal & Otley, yes Otley, who would have thought that 3 years ago with I believe 4 levels between us) and 9 trips across the Pennines. These will involve all day trips with early starts and late returns, how are wives and girlfriends going to accept that. Putting rugby ahead of personal life for 8 months of the year is a big ask. Finding the balance and communicating availability and honouring there commitment will be key. The powers that be I understand are addressing all this, but player buy in to what the club is doing is paramount.
We will also now be playing rugby at one level below Rotherham and Hull Ionians, if you add Otley to this list these are all team that have often approached our key players. Key players that have remained loyal to York and are now enjoying all fruits of their and the clubs hard work and ambitions.
Maybe just maybe some of these teams players may want to be part of what we have built and are looking to achieve. After all we are at the centre of Yorkshire and are arguably the county’s capital.
I was asked today did we want to be promoted, to right we do, the vast majority at the club share my view, those running the team certainly do, 100% the players did. If more members become further involved more closely then let’s see where we can go. As a club in the early 80’s we got to then level 5, we couldn’t sustain those heady heights. Let’s get it right this time.
DK the time previously that York got to this level many of the players couldn't get their boots on due the the thickness of brown envelopes in them!! and when they could get them on they bxggered off!!
The temptation to bring players in other than your own home grown talent, especially from teams from higher leagues, will be expensive and divisive!!
In the chasing of signings, don't overlook what has got you to where you are! 
Otherwise you might lose the support of the players, who have chosen to return to York rather than chase a pay day shilling!!






Don’t want to dwell to much on the past DAA our team back then consisted of 8/9 of a colts team from 8/10 years earlier....4/5 of us tried our hand at senior clubs and then came back...does that ring bells with what’s happen in the last 2/3 years....and the majority of others moved to the area through work, Nigel Connell ex Morley, John Ainslie ex Selkirk to name just 2 they certainly didn’t come for money.....granted we did get a few quid in our boots but nothing to the extent you allude to....nor should it happen to the extent you suggest.
We should bring as many home grown players through the youth section and we will , after all it is arguably the best in Yorkshire.....as for recruiting other players.....yes we should.....how it’s is done is the key.....I’m pretty sure our existing players want to continue to be part of a successful team in a successful club.....they need to buy into this and hopefully accept that it will enable them to continue to play at this level and maybe higher still...more experienced players will help them develop their skill set even further...they should not see it as a threat to their position in the squad they should see it as a challenge....they only need to look at the experience our current backs coach brought to the club to see that at first hand......just one further thing DAA how many players are playing at Otley, Hull I’s and Rotherham that came through our youth section...may be they will return like others already have and finally how many others living in York travel to these clubs to play.... depends on everyone’s ambition as to where we end up
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: avinastella on April 05, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Looking at next seasons away trips most are close to
motorways and accessible within an hour and a half, only like going to B+B
Updates to the Northern Region Google map in hand.

And DDA, no, i really don't have anything better to do this time.  :)
AVS my old pal! Have you started on the wife beater a little earlier than usual? ADA hic!
ooh, just you wait Typo radar switched on to max.  :) :)
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 06, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
Promotion twice in 3 years is a fantastic achievement and congratulations to all involved, players, coaches and administration. Staying up will be difficult but is well within our means. Most certainly we will need to strengthen the squad, however the vast majority of the the squad with further development are capable of playing in North Prem. If we stay relatively injury free, strengthen in the right areas and perhaps most importantly the players commit to what this step up in league will demand we will be ok.
Next season we will only have 2 other teams from Yorkshire in our league (Sandal & Otley, yes Otley, who would have thought that 3 years ago with I believe 4 levels between us) and 9 trips across the Pennines. These will involve all day trips with early starts and late returns, how are wives and girlfriends going to accept that. Putting rugby ahead of personal life for 8 months of the year is a big ask. Finding the balance and communicating availability and honouring there commitment will be key. The powers that be I understand are addressing all this, but player buy in to what the club is doing is paramount.
We will also now be playing rugby at one level below Rotherham and Hull Ionians, if you add Otley to this list these are all team that have often approached our key players. Key players that have remained loyal to York and are now enjoying all fruits of their and the clubs hard work and ambitions.
Maybe just maybe some of these teams players may want to be part of what we have built and are looking to achieve. After all we are at the centre of Yorkshire and are arguably the county’s capital.
I was asked today did we want to be promoted, to right we do, the vast majority at the club share my view, those running the team certainly do, 100% the players did. If more members become further involved more closely then let’s see where we can go. As a club in the early 80’s we got to then level 5, we couldn’t sustain those heady heights. Let’s get it right this time.
DK the time previously that York got to this level many of the players couldn't get their boots on due the the thickness of brown envelopes in them!! and when they could get them on they bxggered off!!
The temptation to bring players in other than your own home grown talent, especially from teams from higher leagues, will be expensive and divisive!!
In the chasing of signings, don't overlook what has got you to where you are! 
Otherwise you might lose the support of the players, who have chosen to return to York rather than chase a pay day shilling!!






Don’t want to dwell to much on the past DAA our team back then consisted of 8/9 of a colts team from 8/10 years earlier....4/5 of us tried our hand at senior clubs and then came back...does that ring bells with what’s happen in the last 2/3 years....and the majority of others moved to the area through work, Nigel Connell ex Morley, John Ainslie ex Selkirk to name just 2 they certainly didn’t come for money.....granted we did get a few quid in our boots but nothing to the extent you allude to....nor should it happen to the extent you suggest.
We should bring as many home grown players through the youth section and we will , after all it is arguably the best in Yorkshire.....as for recruiting other players.....yes we should.....how it’s is done is the key.....I’m pretty sure our existing players want to continue to be part of a successful team in a successful club.....they need to buy into this and hopefully accept that it will enable them to continue to play at this level and maybe higher still...more experienced players will help them develop their skill set even further...they should not see it as a threat to their position in the squad they should see it as a challenge....they only need to look at the experience our current backs coach brought to the club to see that at first hand......just one further thing DAA how many players are playing at Otley, Hull I’s and Rotherham that came through our youth section...may be they will return like others already have and finally how many others living in York travel to these clubs to play.... depends on everyone’s ambition as to where we end up

DK to deny the past is a mistake, just like the probable £1000.s that were squandered on expenses for players who did not improve the club and cleared of as soon as a better offer came along!

I concede that the recruitment of D has been worth every penny as a player/coach. However we did not have an out and out 10 who could run a game like he does. Additionally he has brought some excellent coaching skills that the whole group has benefited from !!

you know as well as I do, that the club aren't going to pay expenses to players who are going to sit on the bench or play in the 2's?

If a player is receiving expenses the coaching staff or recruiter will be compelled to play them irrespective, to justify the expense! That will mean someone will have to make way and that is where the rot sets in!
Play the side at the level they can cope with together as the unit that have brought us this far. Learn the lessons of the past, we are supposed to be an amateur club!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: stubbs on April 06, 2020, 11:12:16 AM
DAA/DK

I am all for remaining an amateur club but where as a for instance our ex colts are away at university if they are good enough we should be ensuring they can get back to play. Also I agree with encouraging our ex colts at other clubs to come back and play at York. the squad has to be strengthened to be competitive at the next level. We probably have between 23-25 players that in most positions we can cover for injuries/illness/holidays but there are key positions as showed at Cleckheaton where we can't afford several players out at the same time.   
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 06, 2020, 07:13:20 PM
Look at us!! Promoted by RH to the North Premier Forum!!

Couldn't even wait to next season before getting rid of us! :D :D
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Red Horseman on April 06, 2020, 07:56:05 PM
With promotion comes.....another audience. Bye and good luck.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 07, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
Judging by the lack of engagement on this forum, I suspect we will be wanting to dip our toes back in at the North One level.

Anyway I am defending Pundits league champion and i intend to make it three on the bounce next season, whenever that is!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 07, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
You’ll have to move, old boy, as I did to ‘Regional Premier Leagues’ on the Rolling Maul Forum.
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: backrowbandit on April 07, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
No you won't!! You'll have to encourage people onto this one!!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 07, 2020, 02:01:05 PM
Good luck with that !
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Red Horseman on April 07, 2020, 02:27:51 PM
Large majority of clubs there are not Yorkshire ones.....
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 07, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
No you won't!! You'll have to encourage people onto this one!!
I'm sure the same rules apply for all pundit league contributors, it does not preclude you entering. irrespective of the league the team you are associated with!!
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: backrowbandit on April 07, 2020, 07:47:28 PM
You misunderstood what I was saying....I was suggesting that you shouldn't move to the rolling maul forum you should encourage other clubs to contribute to this one.

I'll be delighted to see you N1E in the pundits league next year...
Title: Re: congratulations to york
Post by: Wilyjim on April 18, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
Promotion twice in 3 years is a fantastic achievement and congratulations to all involved, players, coaches and administration. Staying up will be difficult but is well within our means. Most certainly we will need to strengthen the squad, however the vast majority of the the squad with further development are capable of playing in North Prem. If we stay relatively injury free, strengthen in the right areas and perhaps most importantly the players commit to what this step up in league will demand we will be ok.
Next season we will only have 2 other teams from Yorkshire in our league (Sandal & Otley, yes Otley, who would have thought that 3 years ago with I believe 4 levels between us) and 9 trips across the Pennines. These will involve all day trips with early starts and late returns, how are wives and girlfriends going to accept that. Putting rugby ahead of personal life for 8 months of the year is a big ask. Finding the balance and communicating availability and honouring there commitment will be key. The powers that be I understand are addressing all this, but player buy in to what the club is doing is paramount.
We will also now be playing rugby at one level below Rotherham and Hull Ionians, if you add Otley to this list these are all team that have often approached our key players. Key players that have remained loyal to York and are now enjoying all fruits of their and the clubs hard work and ambitions.
Maybe just maybe some of these teams players may want to be part of what we have built and are looking to achieve. After all we are at the centre of Yorkshire and are arguably the county’s capital.
I was asked today did we want to be promoted, to right we do, the vast majority at the club share my view, those running the team certainly do, 100% the players did. If more members become further involved more closely then let’s see where we can go. As a club in the early 80’s we got to then level 5, we couldn’t sustain those heady heights. Let’s get it right this time.
DK the time previously that York got to this level many of the players couldn't get their boots on due the the thickness of brown envelopes in them!! and when they could get them on they bxggered off!!
The temptation to bring players in other than your own home grown talent, especially from teams from higher leagues, will be expensive and divisive!!
In the chasing of signings, don't overlook what has got you to where you are! 
Otherwise you might lose the support of the players, who have chosen to return to York rather than chase a pay day shilling!!






Don’t want to dwell to much on the past DAA our team back then consisted of 8/9 of a colts team from 8/10 years earlier....4/5 of us tried our hand at senior clubs and then came back...does that ring bells with what’s happen in the last 2/3 years....and the majority of others moved to the area through work, Nigel Connell ex Morley, John Ainslie ex Selkirk to name just 2 they certainly didn’t come for money.....granted we did get a few quid in our boots but nothing to the extent you allude to....nor should it happen to the extent you suggest.
We should bring as many home grown players through the youth section and we will , after all it is arguably the best in Yorkshire.....as for recruiting other players.....yes we should.....how it’s is done is the key.....I’m pretty sure our existing players want to continue to be part of a successful team in a successful club.....they need to buy into this and hopefully accept that it will enable them to continue to play at this level and maybe higher still...more experienced players will help them develop their skill set even further...they should not see it as a threat to their position in the squad they should see it as a challenge....they only need to look at the experience our current backs coach brought to the club to see that at first hand......just one further thing DAA how many players are playing at Otley, Hull I’s and Rotherham that came through our youth section...may be they will return like others already have and finally how many others living in York travel to these clubs to play.... depends on everyone’s ambition as to where we end up

DK to deny the past is a mistake, just like the probable £1000.s that were squandered on expenses for players who did not improve the club and cleared of as soon as a better offer came along!

I concede that the recruitment of D has been worth every penny as a player/coach. However we did not have an out and out 10 who could run a game like he does. Additionally he has brought some excellent coaching skills that the whole group has benefited from !!

you know as well as I do, that the club aren't going to pay expenses to players who are going to sit on the bench or play in the 2's?

If a player is receiving expenses the coaching staff or recruiter will be compelled to play them irrespective, to justify the expense! That will mean someone will have to make way and that is where the rot sets in!
Play the side at the level they can cope with together as the unit that have brought us this far. Learn the lessons of the past, we are supposed to be an amateur club!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Money talks.
We know that even teams in Yorkshire 4 are paying players expenses to keep them around. Once we all just accept that fact, we can let the more affluent clubs follow their natural course to the higher leagues.

The silent majority have been quiet on this issue for far too long (Bradford Salem, Keighley, Goole) - You'd see bank notes flying out of the players cars, after every match! It's just an open secret chaps, the only thing these clubs should be worried about is the shortage of brown envelopes across Yorkshire!

If anyone has a problem with this harsh reality then they have to ask themselves - what if you were Otley? What if you were that club in National 2. Are you seriously going to rely on little Billy from the juniors who's had a few games for the colts? Just send him packing to Yorkshire 4 and bring in a Pacific Islander.