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League Rugby => Regional Two (North & North East) => Topic started by: Novocastrian on April 07, 2020, 11:06:53 AM

Title: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Novocastrian on April 07, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
It had taken me most of yesterday updating the various leagues but I've managed to update most of the Wikipedia pages for the current North One East Division (L6).

Additionally I was able to fully update the now defunct leagues of North East One, North East Two and North East Three.

However, due to all the various league restructurings over the years there was also an additional North Division Two league created (now defunct) which bridged the gap between the National Leagues and the North Eastern Leagues between 1994-1996. This means I haven't been able to update the league seasons when clubs such as York (they won it once), West Park Bramhope, Manchester and Alnwick resided in them, for example. I assume another wiki page would need to be created, but there may already be one of that name. Any help would be appreciated.

I have also added the original teams in the league from 1987. This should help you chart your club's progression throughout the years. It's interesting to note, the rise, fall and re-rise and re-fall of some clubs throughout the years.

Unfortunately I'm missing season 1990-91 and 1992-93. Any help on these would be appreciated. As I am hoping to do the Yorkshire leagues as well.

Hopefully, for some clubs, this  will also help them update their history books on forgotten league titles they may have won in the early days. I've got a bit more work to do on it, but any input and comments are appreciated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_1_East
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_3
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 07, 2020, 02:37:51 PM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Novocastrian on April 07, 2020, 02:42:34 PM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.

I'm talking about York in 1995 or 1996
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 07, 2020, 04:36:57 PM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.
It didnt take long for the mask to slip BRB. Just as well for your sake you are not working in a HDU!!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Memory_Man on April 07, 2020, 06:10:36 PM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.

What are Scabs classed as in that case? “Rescued?”
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 07, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
I'm afraid York will always be known as "Promoted" not Champions. I know it's a shame for the players but it's just the way it is. If the league had continued they may not have been promoted at all......basic maths.


Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 07, 2020, 07:54:20 PM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.

What are Scabs classed as in that case? “Rescued?”
We're gutted ...we.were just starting a charge...
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Ian1307 on April 07, 2020, 08:25:59 PM
I'm afraid York will always be known as "Promoted" not Champions. I know it's a shame for the players but it's just the way it is. If the league had continued they may not have been promoted at all......basic maths.

Thankfully only in your mind. We regard ourselves as Champions of North 1 East and promoted into North Premier on merit no matter what you say, think or use your Forum to spread rumour and untruth. Reality you got what you professed to want, no promotion or relegation and we got what we wanted through hard work, great coaching and a player roster that showed a willingness to learn, develop and try new things and got their just reward at the end of the season.

Anyone got the link to the Rolling Mail forum?
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 08, 2020, 10:18:51 AM
I’m sure I posted twice here last night.... they’ve disappeared !

Anyway... I’ll be leaving Rolling Maul shortly, so our friends from York can take over one of the few Yorkshire spots. Looking forward top the N1E banter and some great away trips too.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 08, 2020, 11:22:55 AM
I'm not sure York can be classed as champions... I'm afraid they should only be classed as promoted.

What are Scabs classed as in that case? “Rescued?”
We're gutted ...we.were just starting a charge...
The close of the season early helped you dodge a bullet! Given the points that you were generously awarded by a formula that did not take into account your recent and current form, nor the difficulty of the fixtures you had remaining.

Its just as well you had a good start to the season otherwise you may well have been back in Yorkshire 1!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 08, 2020, 11:26:50 AM
But sadly you'll never be able to say you were champions, just promoted thanks to a mathematical fudge...
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: stubbs on April 08, 2020, 02:08:04 PM
BRB,

have scarborough ever been in level 5?  also I can't understand how Wilmslow haven't been promoted from N1W even though they were in 6th, but only 2 pts behind the promoted club with a game in hand, anybody explain??
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 08, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
I think the question is how on earth were Scarborough awarded 10 points under the formula when they had to play 4 teams in their remaining fixtures, who already beaten them earlier in the season?
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 08, 2020, 08:41:36 PM
Promoted not Champions....I can hear the chant now.

Level 5 by formula not rugby. If you had honour you'd refuse as you haven't earned it... 🥺
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: NorthEast1_fan on April 09, 2020, 10:07:24 AM
As a Morpeth fan, disappointed to have been relegated by the 'formula', but if we were in this situation 12 months ago, we'd be screaming for the formula scenario!

We had started playing some good rugby and were confident of picking up some points in the last 4 games. Too little too late but great to be back amongst some familiar clubs that we enjoy playing (and some new ones). The hope is to bounce back up, but we know it won't be easy!

Congrats to York, you can't argue at their dominance in the league, and best of luck in North Prem. We gave it a crack without the brown envelopes, (which we have always done), and didn't embarrass ourselves. Home form is crucial, and we lost too many of ours! Hopefully you can get on an early role and make a good fist of it! Best of luck.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 09, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
North Prem is a very tough league and with Otley down along with Preston, plus Blaydon and Macclesfield all semi-pro, it’s going to be even tougher next season.

Ilkley missed the trip to Morpeth at the end of this season, but looking forward to seeing you all in the next.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: stubbs on April 09, 2020, 11:35:59 AM
thanks NE1fan,
I think we will probably be in a similar position to yourselves, if you think back to your promotion season the sides were evenly matched at York, but we came to you in the middle of our injury crisis and got walloped, we did acquire 3 new players this season which improved our squad, but you are right home form all important, also probably for us 'dry grounds/weather'. NE1 won't be easy its always been difficult at our close rivals Pock/Driff/Malton/Scarborough and I don't think Morley and B+B will be as bad as they were in 2nd half of the season, and Cleck and Moortown finished 2nd and 3rd. So tough season for both of our clubs.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 09, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
As a Morpeth fan, disappointed to have been relegated by the 'formula', but if we were in this situation 12 months ago, we'd be screaming for the formula scenario!

We had started playing some good rugby and were confident of picking up some points in the last 4 games. Too little too late but great to be back amongst some familiar clubs that we enjoy playing (and some new ones). The hope is to bounce back up, but we know it won't be easy!

Congrats to York, you can't argue at their dominance in the league, and best of luck in North Prem. We gave it a crack without the brown envelopes, (which we have always done), and didn't embarrass ourselves. Home form is crucial, and we lost too many of ours! Hopefully you can get on an early role and make a good fist of it! Best of luck.
Thanks NE1 fan.
Must admit i made the journey to watch your demolition of York last season. I was very impressed with your performance and your club. a proper rugby club. I also stayed locally so i was the last York visitor to leave your club after watching various presentations to squad and team members. If you keep that ethos you will enjoy your rugby at whatever level in whichever league!
I obviously want York to be successful but not at the expense of what they have achieved recently nor at the expense of those who have got us this far!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dropkicker on April 09, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
I would hope everyone at York wants the club to be successful DAA, I’m sure they do. Success next year as I have already written on depends on striking the right balance between, keeping existing players ( which hopefully will happen), bringing new players in of the right quality, (hopefully they will be walk ins) and getting the existing players  to buy into what the club is doing. If we don’t get any new players and we have a lot of injuries we will get relegated, if we bring in players and get injuries we may have a chance of staying up. It’s not rocket science.
Regrettably our AGM has been postponed however when we eventually have it we will have chance to ask questions and air our views, whilst at the same time accepting they are the elected individuals we have put in the position to make the decisions they have/will take. We must trust in what the club is/will be doing which includes developing the squad around last years players.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 10, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
Maybe DAA could raise his hand and volunteer to help run the club...then York can find someone else to take pops from.the sidelines!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 10, 2020, 01:26:54 PM
Maybe DAA could raise his hand and volunteer to help run the club...then York can find someone else to take pops from.the sidelines!
Been there, done that! I have earn't my retirement to the sidelines!!!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Dark Arts Advocate on April 10, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
I would hope everyone at York wants the club to be successful DAA, I’m sure they do. Success next year as I have already written on depends on striking the right balance between, keeping existing players ( which hopefully will happen), bringing new players in of the right quality, (hopefully they will be walk ins) and getting the existing players  to buy into what the club is doing. If we don’t get any new players and we have a lot of injuries we will get relegated, if we bring in players and get injuries we may have a chance of staying up. It’s not rocket science.
Regrettably our AGM has been postponed however when we eventually have it we will have chance to ask questions and air our views, whilst at the same time accepting they are the elected individuals we have put in the position to make the decisions they have/will take. We must trust in what the club is/will be doing which includes developing the squad around last years players.
All of which I agree with!

But developing the squad at this level will cost money!!

We have a number of players who are capable of playing at least in the Nat 2 league and even Nat 1, who have been playing for the club that they grew up in.

You import mercenaries, without regard to the loyalty of your present players, you may risk splitting the club in half!!

We will have to wait and see!

Remember we are an amateur club!!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Pristine Shorts on April 10, 2020, 02:06:00 PM
I think next season will be heavily influenced by financial reality checks. I wish you every success at York - it’s a great league, even if the travelling gets tedious at times, but at least you’re closer to Alnwick than Wirral and Lymm !
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 10, 2020, 08:40:53 PM
I would hope everyone at York wants the club to be successful DAA, I’m sure they do. Success next year as I have already written on depends on striking the right balance between, keeping existing players ( which hopefully will happen), bringing new players in of the right quality, (hopefully they will be walk ins) and getting the existing players  to buy into what the club is doing. If we don’t get any new players and we have a lot of injuries we will get relegated, if we bring in players and get injuries we may have a chance of staying up. It’s not rocket science.
Regrettably our AGM has been postponed however when we eventually have it we will have chance to ask questions and air our views, whilst at the same time accepting they are the elected individuals we have put in the position to make the decisions they have/will take. We must trust in what the club is/will be doing which includes developing the squad around last years players.
All of which I agree with!

But developing the squad at this level will cost money!!

We have a number of players who are capable of playing at least in the Nat 2 league and even Nat 1, who have been playing for the club that they grew up in.

You import mercenaries, without regard to the loyalty of your present players, you may risk splitting the club in half!!

We will have to wait and see!

Remember we are an amateur club!!

Ha ha haha ha ha ha amateur club?? Was £400 a match to Jonno amateur?
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Ian1307 on April 10, 2020, 09:28:14 PM
I would hope everyone at York wants the club to be successful DAA, I’m sure they do. Success next year as I have already written on depends on striking the right balance between, keeping existing players ( which hopefully will happen), bringing new players in of the right quality, (hopefully they will be walk ins) and getting the existing players  to buy into what the club is doing. If we don’t get any new players and we have a lot of injuries we will get relegated, if we bring in players and get injuries we may have a chance of staying up. It’s not rocket science.
Regrettably our AGM has been postponed however when we eventually have it we will have chance to ask questions and air our views, whilst at the same time accepting they are the elected individuals we have put in the position to make the decisions they have/will take. We must trust in what the club is/will be doing which includes developing the squad around last years players.
All of which I agree with!

But developing the squad at this level will cost money!!

We have a number of players who are capable of playing at least in the Nat 2 league and even Nat 1, who have been playing for the club that they grew up in.

You import mercenaries, without regard to the loyalty of your present players, you may risk splitting the club in half!!

We will have to wait and see!

Remember we are an amateur club!!

Ha ha haha ha ha ha amateur club?? Was £400 a match to Jonno amateur?

Never reported a post but this is untrue and therefore potentially libellous, care to retract
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Rob13 on April 10, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
I would hope everyone at York wants the club to be successful DAA, I’m sure they do. Success next year as I have already written on depends on striking the right balance between, keeping existing players ( which hopefully will happen), bringing new players in of the right quality, (hopefully they will be walk ins) and getting the existing players  to buy into what the club is doing. If we don’t get any new players and we have a lot of injuries we will get relegated, if we bring in players and get injuries we may have a chance of staying up. It’s not rocket science.
Regrettably our AGM has been postponed however when we eventually have it we will have chance to ask questions and air our views, whilst at the same time accepting they are the elected individuals we have put in the position to make the decisions they have/will take. We must trust in what the club is/will be doing which includes developing the squad around last years players.
All of which I agree with!

But developing the squad at this level will cost money!!

We have a number of players who are capable of playing at least in the Nat 2 league and even Nat 1, who have been playing for the club that they grew up in.

You import mercenaries, without regard to the loyalty of your present players, you may risk splitting the club in half!!

We will have to wait and see!

Remember we are an amateur club!!

Ha ha haha ha ha ha amateur club?? Was £400 a match to Jonno amateur?

Never reported a post but this is untrue and therefore potentially libellous, care to retract

Are you saying you didn’t pay Jonno?
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. on April 10, 2020, 10:10:26 PM
I hope the 9 gets paid.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: stubbs on April 11, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
Who is Jonno? did he play last season? were we a better team without him? £400 quid? you're avin a laff!!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: just passing by on April 11, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
Jonno never went anywhere after he was 25 unless it was for money!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Novocastrian on April 12, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
I'm afraid York will always be known as "Promoted" not Champions. I know it's a shame for the players but it's just the way it is. If the league had continued they may not have been promoted at all......basic maths.

I disagree. Newcastle Falcons have been crowned Champions in the Championship. If that’s the case for Level 2, I’m sure it’s the case for Level 6. In that case, congratulations to York!
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: backrowbandit on April 12, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
Newcastle are also only promoted....

I have no doubt that both will have gone on to be Champions but they didn't have the chance...so they aren't.
Title: Re: N1E, NE1, NE2, NE3 Honours Updated
Post by: Master_Knowledge on April 12, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
Promoted or champions they succeeded in achieving something that Scarborough s h I t their pants at when presented the opportunity last year.

Fact.