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General Rugby => Other Senior Rugby => Topic started by: Premier3 on August 23, 2020, 07:16:54 AM
Title: Rugby Start up
Post by: Premier3 on August 23, 2020, 07:16:54 AM
Can anybody in plain English tell me where we are on the back to rugby map and realistically when will I be able to watch some proper live rugby. All subject to change etc etc
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on August 23, 2020, 07:57:56 AM
10v10 touch and pass allowed...with plenty of other safety measures.
It will be months and months until you can watch rugby in the way we used to.
We should all prepare ourselves for the possibility of a full season off.
Personally I am now of the opinion that the league programme should be scrapped for next season. If in the event that rugby in a normal 15 a side format can return then clubs should organise local mini leagues with neighbouring clubs.. For me that would turn a possible disaster into a nice little change for a season.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Premier3 on August 23, 2020, 08:07:11 AM
Thanks- anymore plain and simply updates in the future would be appreciated
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on August 23, 2020, 09:18:16 AM
10v10 touch and pass allowed...with plenty of other safety measures.
It will be months and months until you can watch rugby in the way we used to.
We should all prepare ourselves for the possibility of a full season off.
Personally I am now of the opinion that the league programme should be scrapped for next season. If in the event that rugby in a normal 15 a side format can return then clubs should organise local mini leagues with neighbouring clubs.. For me that would turn a possible disaster into a nice little change for a season.
I’m afraid I have to agree. As our Great Leader ( remember him ? ) put it, it’s a lot harder to come down the hill than to go up it.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on August 23, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
Slightly off topic but relevant non the less.
The RFU seem to be either tone deaf to (arrogant) or completely misinformed regarding (poor representation) the views of clubs and the feelings of rugby clubs. I was going to say grassroots rugby clubs but decided that the term is unhelpful. We are all just rugby clubs which sit at different levels in the league structure. The fact we are at level 5,6,7,8 or whatever instead of 1,2,3 or 4 is irrelevant.
Let's compare two clubs...both only have one senior team, both only have one pitch. The first plays in front of 10,000 people and is on TV, the second plays in front of 20 people. The first has no minis and juniors, the second (despite the cost) valiantly runs minis and juniors for the community it resides in....with one pitch it's a struggle but they do it. The first club provides entertainment to many people on TV and sends players to the England squad...the second club gives boys, girls, men and women an opportunity to drag themselves away from the TV and perhaps aspire to play for the first club or England. So probably one is Premiership and one is Yorkshire 5.
I am in no way trying to suggest that one club is more important than the other....the point is that it is a symbiotic relationship which requires all clubs to coexist for the betterment of the game of rugby.
Why then does club one have such a loud voice and club two is treated with such utter contempt?
Come on RFU, in general you have been a star performer throughout the pandemic, your coms have been good as has your support for the club's who need it most... Please as we move into the next stage of restart, consult directly with clubs regarding what should happen next.
All clubs have elected Boards or committees who represent the views of that particular club. Write to each Board/committee and ask their views. The league restructuring demonstrates how bypassing elected bodies deprives you of any mandate. You say "players want X" but what you don't say is that only about 10 players partook in the consultation!
So my view is:
a) either tell me it's your organisation and this is what's happening without pretence of consultation. Or b) undertake a genuine consultation and implement the outcome even if it doesn't suit.
At least if you're honest and it's a)... we can all choose to join or form another organisation.
Thank you for anyone who could be bothered to read this!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on August 23, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
I read it and agree ! Well put.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: oneoftheoldfarts on August 24, 2020, 08:28:22 AM
Agree
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Locked Out on August 24, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Well said BRB.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Oldandslow on August 24, 2020, 11:08:56 AM
Agreed, well said BRB.
I also support your earlier post about 2020/21. I also don't see any rugby as we know it for months and don't want some artificial semi league of seven teams.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: sandylands is home on August 24, 2020, 01:40:27 PM
hi all,
i dont post much on here at all so my opinion is probably invalid.
but my frustration is with the fact that all amateur football seems to be back up and running as normal. several local clubs have been having games (with fans there also) on a weekly basis now.
my question is how does this differ from rugby? i know we are in closer contact on the playing field than the round ball fellas but surely doesn't pose much more of a risk!
by all means i am no health expert but i can see all this having a huge effect on grassroots rugby, for no reason but the fact our government couldn't guide us through a one way system!!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Bren on August 24, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
It’s my understanding that it’s the face to face contact that is the issue.
In football there is not a lot of sustained face to face contact, if any. In rugby there is and there are more ways of it happening, tackling, mauling etc.
Netball have changed the distance of defending to 1.2m instead of 1m and no off the ball contact to minimise face to face marking.
It’s seems that a lot of thought has gone into the Ready4Rugby game to standardise rules etc. That it looks like that version is here to stay for a while.
It is frustrating that football is all up and running with competitive fixtures but we can’t even tackle yet.
Until the changing rooms can be used as we know them I can’t see us playing for a while.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Rob13 on August 24, 2020, 08:52:08 PM
Speaking with a friend in London they’ve been told they will be back playing by October and to get ready?No one seems to know what’s going on,still you can still go to the pub and watch the clowns hugging each other.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: oneoftheoldfarts on August 25, 2020, 09:43:06 AM
But you can still watch live rugby on TV, but we can’t play!!!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Locked Out on August 25, 2020, 08:07:42 PM
Good point Bren, though there is often prolonged face to face contact in roundball, but it’s usually players remonstrating in referee’s faces.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: oldun on August 28, 2020, 09:21:21 AM
hi all, not posted for a while ,but have been following the discussions!!
for once I agree with some of BRB.s thoughts.
With the now likely 2nd wave, particularly in the West Riding, no chance of rugby before feb. I would have thought. I mean who the hell in their right mind would want to go from a very low covid area like ours on the east coast to areas where the spread is rife.
Cancel the league structure this season and start afresh in 2021/2.
IF it is possible to play later in the year, keep it local, non league. There would then be lots of hard fought local derby's.
We could have great mini series, Scarbro, Brid, Malton, Pock, Driffield, Beverley, Goole------hey that's 12 games, or to put it another way, feb, march and april!!!
( if we have to play league rugby, it's a long way during these times to Middlesbro and Dinnington--supposedly part of a first series of local games in the proposed mini leagues )
KEEP SAFE EVERYONE!!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Sail By on August 28, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
Can some please show me the science behind this second wave?
Yes infections are up because we are testing more people, but hospital admissions are at a low and the horrendous deaths are at the lowest rate. On August 19th there were zero deaths in UK!!
A couple of years 29,000 people died from a flue pandemic and we carried on as normal. We need to get back to a new normal soon!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Dan Nulty on August 28, 2020, 11:51:37 AM
I think the reason is that there is no vaccine for this whereas there is a flu vaccine. If one isn't developed in time for winter then if we carry on as normal we may see a huge number of deaths in the older generation.
I genuinely can't imagine the Govt want to deliberately shaft the economy to the extent it is being done if it wasn't serious.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Sail By on August 28, 2020, 12:05:41 PM
I agree with your thoughts on the vaccine, but where is the science?
Herd immunity is where they want to be but in a controlled manner.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on August 28, 2020, 01:25:44 PM
Coviysteria rules, unfortunately. I get more depressed by the day by the stupidity and pettiness of the ‘regulations’.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Builders mate on August 28, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
I dont think the Government are shafting anyone. It is the Media who are filling everyones head with negativity. The Media are simply dying to play the blame game. BBC news is not worth watching anymore. At the end of all of this the Media and Opposition will insist on a massive enquiry, costing £millions, that will result in solicitors getting rich and produce a report that says the Government should have locked down 2 weeks earlier. So what.
As testing increases, more and more people are being found to have Covid but have no symptoms, are not unwell and are not dying but, havng said that, a vaccine is essential if the RFU are to allow Club 1stXV's, 2nd's, 3rd's etc etc to play and Clubhouses around the country be once again filled with players, members and supporters.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on August 28, 2020, 06:31:01 PM
I had lunch with Bill Sweeney today and he is and the RFU are pushing very hard for a November start.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Bren on August 28, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Sail By on August 28, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
Great news!!!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Rob13 on August 28, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
I honestly think it’s border line criminal what the media get up to these days,twisting information and driving fear with lies.
The same Bill Sweeney that thinks rugby union will triple in size?I find him slightly deluded.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on August 31, 2020, 09:18:44 AM
Whilst infections continue to rise, it would appear that hospitalisations and deaths have declined steeply. Even the BBC have been forced to acknowledge the fact ( below )
Decline in daily deaths continues While the number of new confirmed cases of coronavirus has been rising again recently, government-announced deaths have continued to fall since a peak in mid-April. On Sunday, the government reported just one further death in England. No new deaths were reported in Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales.
I wonder if there was to a poll amongst players, how many would vote to start again in, say, October. I appreciate that this isn’t going to happen, but as the demographic profile of players suggests they are ultra low risk anyway....
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Rob13 on August 31, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
Majority of players Ive spoken with want it to to go ahead and would be prepared to sign away to do it. Footballs back and with fans too, I appreciate the fairy sport isn't really contact but I think times moving on and we have to get on with it. Speaking with one particular player this weekend it was sad to listen to him, he doesn't have much going for him and he loves rugby it gives him an escapism with plenty of other reasons I won't go into.Point being sport plays a huge role in peoples lives and may be the difference between keeping people on an even keel to going over a cliff edge.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on August 31, 2020, 10:21:28 AM
A very good point. Not only sport has suffered - look at the performing arts, or the massive backlog of court cases, or NHS cancer -screening...oh, and the economy of course : corviysteria.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Ribbflagman on September 01, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
What would happen if after a game one player was positive. Would the whole of two teams, plus subs, ref, flaggies, coaches, and any supporters who went into the clubhouse, have to isolate for 14 days?? In effect that would mean a club not having a team available for then next two saturdays at least, with those isolating being unable to train. It really is a desperate state of affairs which I ,at the moment , simply cannot see being overcome regardless how much some people want to play. Dont mean to be seen as negative, just realistic.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on September 01, 2020, 12:21:57 PM
I’m not sure what happens in the professional game. Is every player tested after every game ? If you can play Amateur Soccer, surely there could be some watered-down version of rugby, without post-match testing. Isn’t that what’s on the agenda ?
My original question was hypothetical, as there isn’t going to be a players’ vote, but if there was.....
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Oldandslow on September 01, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Understand in Scotland community rugby is planned to return on 31 October, what does Nicola know that the RFU & Boris don’t.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 01, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
Reality is nobody knows anything, and politicians are engaged in point scoring over each other which is painfully obvious and counterproductive. I've eaten out at local restaurants recently. They take your name and phone number in case someone also there tests positive, and you will be contacted to isolate yourself thereafter. Will / should sports clubs be doing the same, given that you will be at the same venue as other strangers? Can't see the principle being any different.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: avinastella on September 01, 2020, 01:08:31 PM
If the MSM are to believed regarding track and trace, how will anyone be made aware they’ve been in the proximity of a potentially infected person?
Who answers their mobile to unknown phone numbers?
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Pristine Shorts on September 01, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
Judging by the recent performances of the latter two, probably quite a lot !
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Oldandslow on September 01, 2020, 02:09:56 PM
RH
Spoke to a relative today who was is involved in local non league football. They are being allowed to admit up to 300 spectators from Saturday. The home club are required to contact details of spectators in case someone is later found to COVID-19.
During the game spectators are required to social distance but with social distancing they can sell food and drinks.
So I assume once rugby can resume it will have to follow similar procedures.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 01, 2020, 02:52:07 PM
Gives somebody else a job !
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Rob13 on September 01, 2020, 02:58:09 PM
Potentially an acceptance of risk? I mean if amateur football has begun then there has to be that the acceptance of risk has been applied?
I know its everyones favourite chestnut but if we can open pubs up then we should be 'getting on with life' the only reason they have been opened is because of the tax receipts. So if drinkers get infected its a risk the Gov are happy taking so really sport shouldn't be too much of an issue in a healthy society should it not?
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: maltyjruggers on September 01, 2020, 03:37:23 PM
Each ground should implement social distancing rules, signs, notices etc as it should be done and is done in other public facilities. May have to look at reduced numbers attending the first few months, limit away team following to potentially the team members only (including coach, physio and all that jazz) After that, as a few have said it is track and trace, sanitation stations & one way systems in and out of indoor facilities.
Better than nothing, if you are a spectator and are concerned, don't attend.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on September 01, 2020, 09:03:24 PM
I doubt the attendance at matches is causing too much concern. It is relatively easy to manage and mitigate the risk in small rugby union crowds. (Even if like in most walks of life in reality the measures are somewhat ignored after a noble start!).
The problem remains the game itself where there can't even be the pretence of meaningful mitigation.... therefore I think Robs comment of "acceptance of risk" is probably the most likely way forward.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: maltyjruggers on September 02, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
What happens when a playing/coaching member or multiple members of a club test positive for Covid? Players will have to self-isolate for 14 days which is the equivalent risk of going abroad to a country not on the non-quarantine list? Are players going to sign up to potentially losing income by having to quarantine when for the vast majority rugby is a hobby?
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 02, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
I remember being young, invincible and immune to everything. (The only thing to change is I'm not young anymore.) As I've said elsewhere, the Dominic Scummings Tsunami is waiting just around the corner. Tick tock...
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Bren on September 02, 2020, 05:16:16 PM
It’ll be interesting to see what comes out in October regarding all of these valid points.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: ye olde 9 on September 06, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
Uni rugby starts earliest 3rd week Jan, no sport pre xmas. We wont play pre xmas and thereafter maybe local friendlies. I dont think the 2020/21 season will happen in anyway. Big issues will be loads of older guys will retire early as life on Saturdays will take over and young lads will quit sport or go to football. Player numbers will dramatically fall.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Rob13 on September 06, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
Then let's hope for the games sake it does ahead in some form because a handful of friendlies will be disastrous for clubs.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 11, 2020, 04:14:15 PM
Today's news has Yorkshire having the joint highest Covid rate in the country. The long predicted Scummings Tsunami is now happening. Keep safe folks, and keep others safe by doing so.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on September 14, 2020, 08:01:18 AM
Anybody got any revised thoughts on league rugby returning?
I still find it unlikely we'll see any "normal" rugby in 2020.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Fredsbar on September 14, 2020, 09:31:59 AM
Agree BRB. The size of crowds is irrelevant, it’s the game which is the problem. Community Game Board have asked two questions- What is the appetite/desire for:- a) Return and Participate in full contact rugby. b) Return and Participate in full contact rugby under adapted rules(e.g. no scrums, amended tackle laws etc)
Unfortunately a) appears to be a non starter, and b) should be welcomed by all clubs, otherwise there will be no rugby at all. The rate of increase in cases is worrying although more testing is being carried out, but the scrum is an issue.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 14, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
I agree - forget about a).
At amateur level, where creating "bubbles" is impossible, it's about minimising risk when bringing groups of strangers together. How this can be achieved responsibly is hard to envisage, especially in the "Generation Me" age we are living in.
All sport is essential not just for physical but also mental wellbeing, so it's incumbent on clubs to deliver as much activity as possible.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Bren on September 14, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
I think and hope that there will be touch and pass tournaments starting up soon and this will bring some joy.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Ian1307 on September 16, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Uni rugby starts earliest 3rd week Jan, no sport pre xmas. We wont play pre xmas and thereafter maybe local friendlies. I dont think the 2020/21 season will happen in anyway. Big issues will be loads of older guys will retire early as life on Saturdays will take over and young lads will quit sport or go to football. Player numbers will dramatically fall.
Restricted training times at UoY but starting first week in October, so just have to make the most of what we can at the moment.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Premier3 on September 21, 2020, 08:04:48 AM
How does the new/continued Northern Lockdown restrictions relate to seeing any rugby this year ??
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Beachy on September 21, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Would love to see rugby making a return as soon as possible, but genuinely don't see a return for it at all this year and probably for a good while after the new year. Think I might invest in a dart board or a ping pong table...
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on September 21, 2020, 04:00:57 PM
Agree. Would be interesting to know how many clubs' activities have recently been disrupted by the appearance of Covid among players / members. Would be astounded if there aren't any.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on September 22, 2020, 06:39:47 AM
If clubs haven't already been planning for a season with no rugby, then they should start now.
It's highly unlikely we will see meaningful competitive rugby during season 20/21. That means that many clubs will see their income drop to almost zero. Every club is different and will have different circumstances but I urge anyone who has had their head in sand to pull it out and act now.
We need as many clubs as possible to still be in good shape by Sept 2021....it will be a miracle if we don't lose clubs across the UK. Lets hope for that miracle.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Fredsbar on October 30, 2020, 07:36:03 PM
Not surprised that the RFU has called off League Rugby for 20-21 season. See you all in September!
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Sail By on October 30, 2020, 07:45:05 PM
Fredsbar, there will still be time for good old fashioned friendlies. Hopefully we could get a few months of good old traditional rugby. We need this to keep the interest there.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Oldandslow on October 31, 2020, 07:09:58 AM
Fredsbar no surprise particularly as the National Leagues had already said it was not financially viable for them to start.
I agree with sailby if health considerations make it possible think some local friendlies are needed as I think losing a whole season will result in many players deciding to give the game up.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: backrowbandit on October 31, 2020, 07:27:56 AM
I think most of us have always expected the league programme to be cancelled.
Right...now for a bit of optimism. Remember in summer after the first phase fizzed out how cases dropped to around zero very quickly. There is every chance that the same may happen after Christmas PLUS it seems very likely that a vaccine in some capacity will be started to role out from Christmas time.
Factor in the number of people who have developed some form of immunity....
My bold claim is that we could have two months of friendlies from mid March.
Clearly not guaranteed but that's what I'm expecting with a good dollop of hope.
Title: Re: Rugby Start up
Post by: Red Horseman on October 31, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
My understanding is that there is still a chance of some form of cup competition.