Yorkshire Rugby

What do we know...

We lose:
- Rochdale
- Goole.

We gain
- North Ribb

Possible out:
- Old Crocs or
- Donny P

Possibly in:
- Selby
- Pocklington (they were the highest  2nd places team across the level but currently aren't anymore)

Also I'm not sure why Pock have drop out of the extra spot on the spreadsheet.

They have 87 points from 18 wins having played 20 and lost 2.

Old Coventrians who are showing as I'm the driving seat have 81 points from 16 wins having played 20 and lost 4.

https://www.rfulondon.com/forms/prom.pdf

Ignore that i read the spreadsheet incorrectly. It's Cheshunt who have a better playing record.

Pock need two 5 pointers....

Quote from: backrowbandit on Mar 12, 2025, 06:49 AMAlso I'm not sure why Pock have drop out of the extra spot on the spreadsheet.

They have 87 points from 18 wins having played 20 and lost 2.

Old Coventrians who are showing as I'm the driving seat have 81 points from 16 wins having played 20 and lost 4.

Having priority go to teams finishing 2nd to 2nd XV squads is complicating the situation. Last week Pock were going up despite being 2nd in the 2nd place mini league behind Cheshunt, this week only Cheshunt are going up. Lots still to change. Pock have got a good chance of taking 10/10 points to finish on 97/110 points or 88.18%. It would be incredibly unlucky for them to miss out having beaten every team home and away except for Ribb.

Still a ridiculous amount of moving parts in the level 7 2nd place mini league and also in the level 6 11th place mini league, with an extra spanner thrown in the works if Devizes finish in the promotion spots now as well.

Quote from: gateprop on Mar 12, 2025, 07:36 AM

Quote from: backrowbandit on Mar 12, 2025, 06:49 AMAlso I'm not sure why Pock have drop out of the extra spot on the spreadsheet.

They have 87 points from 18 wins having played 20 and lost 2.

Old Coventrians who are showing as I'm the driving seat have 81 points from 16 wins having played 20 and lost 4.

Quote from: gateprop on Mar 12, 2025, 07:36 AM

Quote from: backrowbandit on Mar 12, 2025, 06:49 AMAlso I'm not sure why Pock have drop out of the extra spot on the spreadsheet.

They have 87 points from 18 wins having played 20 and lost 2.

Old Coventrians who are showing as I'm the driving seat have 81 points from 16 wins having played 20 and lost 4.

Having priority go to teams finishing 2nd to 2nd XV squads is complicating the situation. Last week Pock were going up despite being 2nd in the 2nd place mini league behind Cheshunt, this week only Cheshunt are going up. Lots still to change. Pock have got a good chance of taking 10/10 points to finish on 97/110 points or 88.18%. It would be incredibly unlucky for them to miss out having beaten every team home and away except for Ribb.

Still a ridiculous amount of moving parts in the level 7 2nd place mini league and also in the level 6 11th place mini league, with an extra spanner thrown in the works if Devizes finish in the promotion spots now as well.

Having priority go to teams finishing 2nd to 2nd XV squads is complicating the situation. Last week Pock were going up despite being 2nd in the 2nd place mini league behind Cheshunt, this week only Cheshunt are going up. Lots still to change. Pock have got a good chance of taking 10/10 points to finish on 97/110 points or 88.18%. It would be incredibly unlucky for them to miss out having beaten every team home and away except for Ribb.

Still a ridiculous amount of moving parts in the level 7 2nd place mini league and also in the level 6 11th place mini league, with an extra spanner thrown in the works if Devizes finish in the promotion spots now as well.

Windsor have edged us out as they're 2nd to a 2nd XV squad, all very complicated and a bit frustrating not being sure if our fate rests in our own hands. All we can do is go all out for two BP wins (easier said than done) and hope for the best.

Quote from: gateprop on Mar 12, 2025, 07:36 AM

Quote from: backrowbandit on Mar 12, 2025, 06:49 AMAlso I'm not sure why Pock have drop out of the extra spot on the spreadsheet.

They have 87 points from 18 wins having played 20 and lost 2.

Old Coventrians who are showing as I'm the driving seat have 81 points from 16 wins having played 20 and lost 4.

Having priority go to teams finishing 2nd to 2nd XV squads is complicating the situation. Last week Pock were going up despite being 2nd in the 2nd place mini league behind Cheshunt, this week only Cheshunt are going up. Lots still to change. Pock have got a good chance of taking 10/10 points to finish on 97/110 points or 88.18%. It would be incredibly unlucky for them to miss out having beaten every team home and away except for Ribb.

Still a ridiculous amount of moving parts in the level 7 2nd place mini league and also in the level 6 11th place mini league, with an extra spanner thrown in the works if Devizes finish in the promotion spots now as well.

Shows what an absolute farce this all is.
This system allowed Hemsworth to remain in Y2 for thi season. At first flush some may think that was good for them but the reality is, they may have been better off regrouping in Y3.
Technically, due to the number WOs they've given their results should be scrubbed from the league, same with Knottingley. There's been an ongoing RFU case involving Gordano Ladies over this issue. This seemingly leaves RFUNOC applying double standards.
I'm not taking a view on either of the clubs but simply pointing out the issues this system creates.

Personally think preference being given to teams who are 2nd place to 2nd team leagues is ridiculous but in line with the RFU push to get 2nd teams into the league structure and penalise regions who dont follow their lead. This will clearly have the biggest impact this year as it is the first year that 2nd teams can progress to level 6 (previous ceiling was level 7)
I hope Pock do come up as having seen them play they deserve to be running out at level 6 and have only lost to North Rib who from watching them play will have a good shout at being in top 3 of NE2 next season.
Based on sides going up and down would expect next season to be as equally tight as this year with no easy wins.

Be interesting to see if Rochdale can kick on next year in NE1 as the gap from Lvl 6 to 5 certainly seems to be a big one.

It will be nothing other than a total travesty if Pock win 20 out of 22 games and do not get promoted at the expense of other sides with an inferior % of wins. As the powers that be at the RFU have now given preference to more senior clubs 2nd XVs rather than grassroots clubs. Believe me if any myopic person needed any more reason to reject the next vote (which is surely coming given our County representation coming from clubs who want this to happen) on allowing second XVs into our league system in Yorkshire, this is it. If the RFU get their way in 20 years or so there will be 50% less clubs competing in the leagues, especially at the lower end of the pyramid, and all the funding will flood into the teams the tow the party line and enter several teams into the league structure at the expense of our grass roots clubs. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, and if you need a wake up call surely the exclusion of Pock for promotion being in arguably the strongest Counties 1 league because of the finishing positions of more senior clubs 2s must tell its own story. PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BECAUSE OUR COUNTY REPS ON THE RFU COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE IT DOWN NEXT TIME AS THEY DO NOT VOTE FOR THE CLUBS THEY ARE PURPORTED TO REPRESENT. Ie US.

Cheshunt are second to Brunel University with 89% points. Pocklington are second on 87% points.

Not sure how Pocklington would be losing out on a deserved promotion place when they don't currently have the better points %.

So hardly a travesty. Would be highly disappointing given the strength of the season they have had.

However impressive that 2nd Teams entering Yorkshire leagues was brought back into the equation by using a Yorkshire Club not being in a position to get promotion as ammunition.

It really surprises me that the RFU and others can't see the dangers of encouraging fewer and fewer but stronger clubs. Who are these teams going to play when all the smaller clubs have folded after losing players to league 2nd teams.

It is blindingly obviously to me.... The short sightedness of some in sport is crazy.

Quote from: Differ Lid on Mar 13, 2025, 10:22 AMCheshunt are second to Brunel University with 89% points. Pocklington are second on 87% points.

Not sure how Pocklington would be losing out on a deserved promotion place when they don't currently have the better points %.

So hardly a travesty. Would be highly disappointing given the strength of the season they have had.

However impressive that 2nd Teams entering Yorkshire leagues was brought back into the equation by using a Yorkshire Club not being in a position to get promotion as ammunition.

Pocklington are 2nd behind Cheshunt, that's fair enough. What I think the frustration is though is that there are 6 promotion spots for 2nd place teams, Pocklington have the 2nd best record out of everyone and there are currently 5 teams with worse records getting promoted ahead of them simply because the teams ahead of them in their respective leagues are 2nd XV's.

Quote from: Differ Lid on Mar 13, 2025, 10:22 AMCheshunt are second to Brunel University with 89% points. Pocklington are second on 87% points.

Not sure how Pocklington would be losing out on a deserved promotion place when they don't currently have the better points %.

So hardly a travesty. Would be highly disappointing given the strength of the season they have had.

However impressive that 2nd Teams entering Yorkshire leagues was brought back into the equation by using a Yorkshire Club not being in a position to get promotion as ammunition.

It's the 4/5 clubs who currently lie 2nd behind club second teams that take priority, hence the concern.

Well said BRB, the decisions made by the RFU and subsequently imposed on its member clubs without any discussion is simply mindblowing.

Differ Boy,
             you may not be a mathematician but even Stevie Wonder would be able to see (maybe not) that five teams being promoted before Pock with inferior winning percentages is more than a "Travesty". That is unless you are from the senior club brigade that want to have it all to yourselves and forget about Grassroots clubs who have been the bedrock of our game for about 100 years. I think I already know the answer to that one!!!